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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 15, 2018 9:01:12 GMT -6
Ramos, Brantley and Cruz. I would think are signing with the Astros if they give up there pursuit of Harper. I think one of those plus Harper could be done. I’d be more than fine with Brantley and Cruz, but you’d have to get rid of Reddick in that equation since they want Tucker to start. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 15, 2018 9:47:27 GMT -6
There will be no Abreu trade White Sox say absolutely in no way fashion or form will he be traded |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 9:49:05 GMT -6
There will be no Abreu trade White Sox say absolutely in no way fashion or form will he be traded He isnt going no where. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 15, 2018 9:55:43 GMT -6
I still think a package around Perez and Smith would get it done He isnt going no where. |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 15, 2018 10:37:28 GMT -6
Luhnow is looking to add another bat and a SP. Looking at the players we have now, I’m wondering who gets bumped off the 25-man roster to make room for the bat we add. The team usually carries 13 pitchers and 12 position players. With all the off days in April we may carry 12 pitchers for the first month, but by the end of April the roster will likely consist of 12 position players and 13 pitchers. Luhnow has indicated that Tucker will get his shot to be a regular in the outfield. That said, barring injuries these guys are going to be on the active roster: 2 Catchers (Chirinos and Stassi or a new guy we trade for plus Chirinos or Stassi) Yuli Altuve Correa Bregman Tucker Springer Reddick The bat that Luhnow adds before opening day That’s 10 position players. Kemp is out of options. White is out of options. Marisnick has 1 option remaining. Diaz has 1 option remaining. So who gets the final 2 position player roster spots? If Luhnow does; in fact, add a bat, I’m thinking there is a good chance that we could see 2 of the Kemp, White, Marisnick trio traded before opening day. Kemp is one of those rare players who I really like and also wouldn’t mind seeing traded. A real career for him doesn’t exist here, and he deserves the best elsewhere. I agree with you on Kemp. I have read that the Indians have considered accepting a lesser return for Kluber if a team would be willing to take Kipnis along with Kluber in the deal. I believe Kipnis is owed $14.5 million for 2019 and has a $2.5 million buy out of a $16.5 club option for 2020. So if you took on Kipnis you would be committing to $17 million. Kluber is owed $17 million for 2019 and the club has options of $17.5 million for 2020 and $18 million for 2021. So you would get 3 years of Kluber for $52.5 million. If you took on Kipnis that would add $17 million. So the total for 3 years of Kluber and a year of Kipnis would be $70 million +/-. That’s roughly $35 million less than what remains on Greinke’s contract for 3 years. Right now Kipnis is penciled in as the Indians starting second baseman for 2019. Maybe the Astros could send Kemp to Cleveland in a deal for Kluber and Kipnis. Kipnis has dropped off with the bat the last couple years, but he still put up numbers very close to Reddick’s numbers in 2018. Would you take on Kipnis for one year in order to get Kluber? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 15, 2018 10:53:57 GMT -6
Would you take on Kipnis for one year in order to get Kluber? Yes. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2018 11:57:01 GMT -6
Ramos, Brantley and Cruz. I would think are signing with the Astros if they give up there pursuit of Harper. At this point, I'd tale those three and a starting pitcher.....especially since we did nothing but talk at the winter meetings. I don't want to hear anymore optimistic jabbering from Luhnow unless he as a signing to announce or verify a trade. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2018 12:00:40 GMT -6
Kemp is one of those rare players who I really like and also wouldn’t mind seeing traded. A real career for him doesn’t exist here, and he deserves the best elsewhere. I agree with you on Kemp. I have read that the Indians have considered accepting a lesser return for Kluber if a team would be willing to take Kipnis along with Kluber in the deal. I believe Kipnis is owed $14.5 million for 2019 and has a $2.5 million buy out of a $16.5 club option for 2020. So if you took on Kipnis you would be committing to $17 million. Kluber is owed $17 million for 2019 and the club has options of $17.5 million for 2020 and $18 million for 2021. So you would get 3 years of Kluber for $52.5 million. If you took on Kipnis that would add $17 million. So the total for 3 years of Kluber and a year of Kipnis would be $70 million +/-. That’s roughly $35 million less than what remains on Greinke’s contract for 3 years. Right now Kipnis is penciled in as the Indians starting second baseman for 2019. Maybe the Astros could send Kemp to Cleveland in a deal for Kluber and Kipnis. Kipnis has dropped off with the bat the last couple years, but he still put up numbers very close to Reddick’s numbers in 2018. Would you take on Kipnis for one year in order to get Kluber? I don't really want Kipnis but if one year is all we have to take on to get Kluber, it may be worth it. Maybe we could trade Kipnis to prospects. I would include Kemp in any deal for Kipnis and Kluber. |
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Post by marshall on Dec 15, 2018 12:36:42 GMT -6
Kemp is one of those rare players who I really like and also wouldn’t mind seeing traded. A real career for him doesn’t exist here, and he deserves the best elsewhere. I agree with you on Kemp. I have read that the Indians have considered accepting a lesser return for Kluber if a team would be willing to take Kipnis along with Kluber in the deal. I believe Kipnis is owed $14.5 million for 2019 and has a $2.5 million buy out of a $16.5 club option for 2020. So if you took on Kipnis you would be committing to $17 million. Kluber is owed $17 million for 2019 and the club has options of $17.5 million for 2020 and $18 million for 2021. So you would get 3 years of Kluber for $52.5 million. If you took on Kipnis that would add $17 million. So the total for 3 years of Kluber and a year of Kipnis would be $70 million +/-. That’s roughly $35 million less than what remains on Greinke’s contract for 3 years. Right now Kipnis is penciled in as the Indians starting second baseman for 2019. Maybe the Astros could send Kemp to Cleveland in a deal for Kluber and Kipnis. Kipnis has dropped off with the bat the last couple years, but he still put up numbers very close to Reddick’s numbers in 2018. Would you take on Kipnis for one year in order to get Kluber? That deal sounds like one which could work if none of our key prospects is included. It's basically a salary dump to get a pitcher who has performed well, but will be entering his age 33 year. We'd get him for 33, 34 and 35 year seasons at about 24M/year which is in the ballpark for what we like to pay premium pitchers. We might even flip Kipnes and reduce the cost a bit more, even if we have to send some cash with him, say 7M which reduces Kluber to about 21M/year and would get us 2 years of Pitching beyond the expiring contracts of Verlander and Cole. But I would certainly bolster this season's post season hopes with Verlander, Cole and Kluber getting most of the post season starts.
But it sounds like a good deal to me.
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2018 12:45:05 GMT -6
I agree with you on Kemp. I have read that the Indians have considered accepting a lesser return for Kluber if a team would be willing to take Kipnis along with Kluber in the deal. I believe Kipnis is owed $14.5 million for 2019 and has a $2.5 million buy out of a $16.5 club option for 2020. So if you took on Kipnis you would be committing to $17 million. Kluber is owed $17 million for 2019 and the club has options of $17.5 million for 2020 and $18 million for 2021. So you would get 3 years of Kluber for $52.5 million. If you took on Kipnis that would add $17 million. So the total for 3 years of Kluber and a year of Kipnis would be $70 million +/-. That’s roughly $35 million less than what remains on Greinke’s contract for 3 years. Right now Kipnis is penciled in as the Indians starting second baseman for 2019. Maybe the Astros could send Kemp to Cleveland in a deal for Kluber and Kipnis. Kipnis has dropped off with the bat the last couple years, but he still put up numbers very close to Reddick’s numbers in 2018. Would you take on Kipnis for one year in order to get Kluber? That deal sounds like one which could work if none of our key prospects is included. It's basically a salary dump to get a pitcher who has performed well, but will be entering his age 33 year. We'd get him for 33, 34 and 35 year seasons at about 24M/year which is in the ballpark for what we like to pay premium pitchers. We might even flip Kipnes and reduce the cost a bit more, even if we have to send some cash with him, say 7M which reduces Kluber to about 21M/year and would get us 2 years of Pitching beyond the expiring contracts of Verlander and Cole. But I would certainly bolster this season's post season hopes with Verlander, Cole and Kluber getting most of the post season starts.
But it sounds like a good deal to me.
I doubt if the Indians would do it, but, I wish we could include Kemp, Davis or Reed/ and a couple of mid-level prospects. No way do I include any of our top prospects in the deal, |
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Post by marshall on Dec 15, 2018 12:51:20 GMT -6
I wonder if you could send $14M and not take on Kipnis? That makes Kluber like a FA for a 3 year contract of $66.5M.(52.5 + 14)
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2018 13:23:48 GMT -6
I wonder if you could send $14M and not take on Kipnis? That makes Kluber like a FA for a 3 year contract of $66.5M.(52.5 + 14) worth a try |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 15:08:53 GMT -6
Rosenthal recent notes on the Athletic talks about Astros could add two to three bats very soon.
CRUZ AND BRATLEY are the main two but states a Catcher is also not out of the Queation.
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Post by Saint on Dec 15, 2018 15:22:03 GMT -6
Matt Adams to the Nats for $4 mil.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 15:34:27 GMT -6
Matt Adams to the Nats for $4 mil. Seen that Adam's would have been interesting to add |
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Post by Saint on Dec 15, 2018 15:41:45 GMT -6
Matt Adams to the Nats for $4 mil. Seen that Adam's would have been interesting to add He would have been another nice DH platoon with White with a little defensive flexibility. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 15, 2018 16:16:17 GMT -6
Rosenthal recent notes on the Athletic talks about Astros could add two to three bats very soon. CRUZ AND BRATLEY are the main two but states a Catcher is also not out of the Queation. It also said the Astros are trying to trade Reddick, which would lead to Tucker taking his spot. A way to tighten up the defense is to have Brantley at 1B, Tucker in LF, Springer in RF and Straw or someone in CF if they go the extreme route. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 16:35:43 GMT -6
Rosenthal recent notes on the Athletic talks about Astros could add two to three bats very soon. CRUZ AND BRATLEY are the main two but states a Catcher is also not out of the Queation. It also said the Astros are trying to trade Reddick, which would lead to Tucker taking his spot. A way to tighten up the defense is to have Brantley at 1B, Tucker in LF, Springer in RF and Straw or someone in CF if they go the extreme route. I think moving that money is what there aiming for. Pretty sure you might be able to call the Phillies and see if they would be intereasted in Reddick and prospect for Nick Williams? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 15, 2018 17:00:04 GMT -6
It also said the Astros are trying to trade Reddick, which would lead to Tucker taking his spot. A way to tighten up the defense is to have Brantley at 1B, Tucker in LF, Springer in RF and Straw or someone in CF if they go the extreme route. I think moving that money is what there aiming for. Pretty sure you might be able to call the Phillies and see if they would be intereasted in Reddick and prospect for Nick Williams? Why would the Phillies want to give up a cheap/under team control through 2022, left handed 25 year old for an almost 32 year old left handed batter that is $13M a year for 2 more years....oh and BTW the Phillies 25 year old even had a better slash line year (even though just marginally) Williams: .256/.324./.425 Reddick: .248/.318/.400 Explain it: |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 15, 2018 17:31:47 GMT -6
I think moving that money is what there aiming for. Pretty sure you might be able to call the Phillies and see if they would be intereasted in Reddick and prospect for Nick Williams? Why would the Phillies want to give up a cheap/under team control through 2022, left handed 25 year old for an almost 32 year old left handed batter that is $13M a year for 2 more years....oh and BTW the Phillies 25 year old even had a better slash line year (even though just marginally) Williams: .256/.324./.425 Reddick: .248/.318/.400 Explain it: Don’t worry about it, Thomas. You know how your blood pressure can be. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 15, 2018 18:53:13 GMT -6
Why would the Phillies want to give up a cheap/under team control through 2022, left handed 25 year old for an almost 32 year old left handed batter that is $13M a year for 2 more years....oh and BTW the Phillies 25 year old even had a better slash line year (even though just marginally) Williams: .256/.324./.425 Reddick: .248/.318/.400 Explain it: Don’t worry about it, Thomas. You know how your blood pressure can be. Goosfraba |
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Post by olpapa on Dec 15, 2018 21:29:45 GMT -6
Rosenthal recent notes on the Athletic talks about Astros could add two to three bats very soon. CRUZ AND BRATLEY are the main two but states a Catcher is also not out of the Queation. It also said the Astros are trying to trade Reddick, which would lead to Tucker taking his spot. A way to tighten up the defense is to have Brantley at 1B, Tucker in LF, Springer in RF and Straw or someone in CF if they go the extreme route. Maybe the Astros could move Reddick and the remaining $26 million owed to him to the D’Backs as a piece in a trade for Greinke. The guy who projects to be Arizona’s starting RF next season is pretty bad. The exchange of Greinke’s salary for Reddick’s salary would save the D’Backs a total of $43,792,856 in 2019-2020 and would save them the entire $35,721,428 owed to Greinke in 2021. Moving Reddick’s remaining $26 million to the D’backs while assuming all of the remaining contract owed to Greinke would mean the Astros would add $79.5 million to their payroll for 3 years of Greinke....$26.5 million per year +/-. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 15, 2018 21:52:30 GMT -6
I'm probably way late on seeing this but it was new to me today. Interesting talk with Bregman, Marisnick, A-Rod and some other players on the state of the game.
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Post by olpapa on Dec 15, 2018 21:53:13 GMT -6
There has been talk of Arizona moving Ketel Marte to CF to fill the hole left by Pollock. If Marte moves to CF, maybe Kemp would have value in a trade for Greinke as a option to replace Marte at second base. If they wanted to leave Marte at second base, Marisnick could have value as a replacement for Dyson who is even more pathetic than Jake with the bat and is projected right now as the starting CF for Arizona next season.
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Post by m240 on Dec 15, 2018 22:41:26 GMT -6
There has been talk of Arizona moving Ketel Marte to CF to fill the hole left by Pollock. If Marte moves to CF, maybe Kemp would have value in a trade for Greinke as a option to replace Marte at second base. If they wanted to leave Marte at second base, Marisnick could have value as a replacement for Dyson who is even more pathetic than Jake with the bat and is projected right now as the starting CF for Arizona next season. there are a lot of ways to make the deal for Grienke work. Really too many for it not to work but money talks and if you have it and do not want to spend it, it really does not matter how much something makes sense to most people you will figure out how not to spend it. We need to do the deal for Grienke. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 15, 2018 22:52:08 GMT -6
While power rankings are more for fun than real analysis, nonetheless it's interesting to see how the sports media is portraying the Astros' competitiveness at this point in the offseason. bleacherreport.com/articles/2810456-mlb-power-rankings-where-all-30-teams-stack-up-post-winter-meetings Astros come in at #4 while all other AL West teams come in between 16 and 26. Unless the A's or Angels make some big improvements, it would seem the Astros are being handed the division on a silver platter. This could skew some of the Astros season stats a bit. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Dec 15, 2018 23:20:55 GMT -6
There has been talk of Arizona moving Ketel Marte to CF to fill the hole left by Pollock. If Marte moves to CF, maybe Kemp would have value in a trade for Greinke as a option to replace Marte at second base. If they wanted to leave Marte at second base, Marisnick could have value as a replacement for Dyson who is even more pathetic than Jake with the bat and is projected right now as the starting CF for Arizona next season. there are a lot of ways to make the deal for Grienke work. Really too many for it not to work but money talks and if you have it and do not want to spend it, it really does not matter how much something makes sense to most people you will figure out how not to spend it. We need to do the deal for Grienke. Greinke or kluber seem to make the most sense at this point. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 23:26:06 GMT -6
Shooting for the stars on Grienke or Kluber
MICHEAL FULMER
JON GRAY
Think along those lines. They don't wanna give up a significant prospect haul
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Post by nathangarza29 on Dec 15, 2018 23:44:21 GMT -6
I think moving that money is what there aiming for. Pretty sure you might be able to call the Phillies and see if they would be intereasted in Reddick and prospect for Nick Williams? Why would the Phillies want to give up a cheap/under team control through 2022, left handed 25 year old for an almost 32 year old left handed batter that is $13M a year for 2 more years....oh and BTW the Phillies 25 year old even had a better slash line year (even though just marginally) Williams: .256/.324./.425 Reddick: .248/.318/.400 Explain it: Reddick and J.B for Nick Williams Why? Neither Harper or Machado will sign there. They want def badly but adequate bats to make up for all the terrible def they had last year. It would work And before you say no j.b. bukouskas Well Astros dont want him they have shopped him harder then a dollar store soda |
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Post by astrosdoug on Dec 16, 2018 0:11:38 GMT -6
Nick Williams wouldn't be an upgrade over Reddick. The Astros would just be stuck with a mediocre RF through 2023. Even in the minors, Williams never hit terribly well.
I get the idea of unloading an expensive contract, but now isn't the time to accept poorer offense in order to save some cash. The time for a tear-down and rebuild will eventually come, but it isn't this year.
It does seem the team is in a hurry to get rid of Bukauskas. I wonder if they suspect something, like him needing TJ soon or maybe a PEDS issue.
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