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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 9:52:34 GMT -6
Who are you voting for? (Up to 10 names)
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 9:54:11 GMT -6
Does Halladay get in on the sympathy vote? Is Berkman worthy>
It's time for Rocket and Bonds to get in. Edgar's last chance, too.
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 11:19:59 GMT -6
Bonds Clemens Mussina Rivera Schilling Martinez McGriff Kent (Best power-hitting 2B of all-time and he hasn't gotten more than 16% )Sheffield Wagner Next Year: Halladay Rolen |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 12:04:48 GMT -6
I'm curious how Pettite will do, especially with him being associated with NYY. And I might give a homer vote to Berkman, too.
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 12:38:44 GMT -6
Pettite may eventually get in, but there is no way he should get in before Mussina, Schilling, Halladay, or Rivera. (And Wagner in my biased opinion.)
Berkman is like Oswalt to me. They certainly had some good enough peaks and impressive respective percentages, but they just didn't reach enough impressive milestones (or even secondary milestones). 300 Wins, 3000 Hits, etc. are mostly going to be a thing of the past, but neither of them even reached 200 Wins, 2000 Ks, 2000 Hits (or 400 HR), etc.
Berkman = Fred Lynn
Oswalt = Saberhagen
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 14:16:21 GMT -6
Who are you voting for? (Up to 10 names) Without looking up stats: Rivera, Clemens, Bonds, Mussina, McGriff, Wagner, Manny, don’t care. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 16:22:06 GMT -6
NO: Bonds and Clemens. I would never vote for them due to steroid use. Bonds was a great hitter and Clemens one of the best pitchers of all-time,but, I can't vote for those who cheat.
Rivera
Martinez
Mussina
Schilling (who is being blackballed because he speaks out against liberal BS)
McGriff
Young
Walker
Halladay
Wagner
Sheffield
I want Berkman and Oswalt to eventually get in......yes, I am biased where former astros are concerned.
Jeff Kent was one of the best hitting second basemen of all-time, but, he was also one of the worst in terms of defense.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -6
NO: Bonds and Clemens. I would never vote for them due to steroid use. Bonds was a great hitter and Clemens one of the best pitchers of all-time,but, I can't vote for those who cheat. Rivera Martinez Mussina Schilling (who is being blackballed because he speaks out against liberal BS) McGriff Young Walker Halladay Wagner Sheffield I want Berkman and Oswalt to eventually get in......yes, I am biased where former astros are concerned. Jeff Kent was one of the best hitting second basemen of all-time, but, he was also one of the worst in terms of defense. Probably 2/3 of the men on your okey dokey list used peds. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 20, 2018 17:11:13 GMT -6
I didn't research but I believe the guys I said yes to that used PEDs, we're people on pace for HoF careers anyways, and also didn't get suspended. (Ex. No Manny)
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 17:50:09 GMT -6
NO: Bonds and Clemens. I would never vote for them due to steroid use. Bonds was a great hitter and Clemens one of the best pitchers of all-time,but, I can't vote for those who cheat. Rivera Martinez Mussina Schilling (who is being blackballed because he speaks out against liberal BS) McGriff Young Walker Halladay Wagner Sheffield I want Berkman and Oswalt to eventually get in......yes, I am biased where former astros are concerned. Jeff Kent was one of the best hitting second basemen of all-time, but, he was also one of the worst in terms of defense. Probably 2/3 of the men on your okey dokey list used peds. maybe so, but, no evidence was presented that said so. I don't want Sosa, Palmeiro, or any of that steroid crowd in the HOF nor do I want Pete Rose's crooked ass in it either. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 20, 2018 17:59:23 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 19:48:16 GMT -6
I’ll agree with Coach about Pete Rose for reasons I’ve said ad nauseum previously.
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 19:49:11 GMT -6
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 19:50:23 GMT -6
I’ll agree with Coach about Pete Rose for reasons I’ve said ad nauseum previously. As far as what he did as a player, he's a first ballot HOF'er.......I just can't get past his gambling and betting on his own team. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 20:16:20 GMT -6
Unless the general standard for HOF has been lessened, I don't see 10 there that deserve it.
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 20, 2018 21:10:28 GMT -6
I’ll agree with Coach about Pete Rose for reasons I’ve said ad nauseum previously. As far as what he did as a player, he's a first ballot HOF'er.......I just can't get past his gambling and betting on his own team. Not only that but also making fools of his own fans for decades while milking money off of books about his innocence. I think that’s a little worse than having Canseco inject PED’s into your gluteus minimus. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 20, 2018 23:00:45 GMT -6
As far as what he did as a player, he's a first ballot HOF'er.......I just can't get past his gambling and betting on his own team. Not only that but also making fools of his own fans for decades while milking money off of books about his innocence. I think that’s a little worse than having Canseco inject PED’s into your gluteus minimus. In plain language,Pete Rose is a sorry excuse for a human being. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 8:36:51 GMT -6
I think Pete Rose belongs in as a player. If we kept players out of the Hall based on their immoral behaviors, we'd have a lot less players in it. As a player on the field, the guy was iconic and a great example.
Poor human being for sure, but a great player.
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 21, 2018 13:47:08 GMT -6
I think Pete should be in. Is Ty Cobb in???
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 13:48:12 GMT -6
Yes, among other human asshats (but great players).
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 21, 2018 14:02:35 GMT -6
I think Pete should be in. Is Ty Cobb in??? I agree, and so should Rocket and Bonds. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 21, 2018 14:08:42 GMT -6
I think Pete Rose belongs in as a player. If we kept players out of the Hall based on their immoral behaviors, we'd have a lot less players in it. As a player on the field, the guy was iconic and a great example. Poor human being for sure, but a great player. I think gambling-related issues hold more weight than the other types of cheating. If that type of cheating were allowed, then the league should be discontinued. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 14:23:36 GMT -6
I think Pete Rose belongs in as a player. If we kept players out of the Hall based on their immoral behaviors, we'd have a lot less players in it. As a player on the field, the guy was iconic and a great example. Poor human being for sure, but a great player. I think gambling-related issues hold more weight than the other types of cheating. If that type of cheating were allowed, then the league should be discontinued. Was there ever proof that he gambled on baseball as a player though? I know he did as a coach (and therefore would be barred from anything coach-wise). |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2018 15:00:17 GMT -6
Rose was guilty as hell. If he wasn't, he would have fought the charges a lot stronger than he did. There should be no place in baseball for assholes like him.
I could see maybe letting Clemens in as I'm not sure there was proof of his steroid usage. No doubt in my mind that Bonds is guilty of using them and no bigger arrogant asshole ever played the game than this SOB.
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 15:01:26 GMT -6
Rose was guilty as hell. If he wasn't, he would have fought the charges a lot stronger than he did. There should be no place in baseball for assholes like him. I could see maybe letting Clemens in as I'm not sure there was proof of his steroid usage. No doubt in my mind that Bonds is guilty of using them and no bigger arrogant asshole ever played the game than this SOB. But was there PROOF that he gambled on baseball as a player? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2018 15:21:10 GMT -6
Rose was guilty as hell. If he wasn't, he would have fought the charges a lot stronger than he did. There should be no place in baseball for assholes like him. I could see maybe letting Clemens in as I'm not sure there was proof of his steroid usage. No doubt in my mind that Bonds is guilty of using them and no bigger arrogant asshole ever played the game than this SOB. But was there PROOF that he gambled on baseball as a player? No proof as a player as far as I know. I just think it sets a bad precedent after all this time to let him in, |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 15:28:49 GMT -6
But was there PROOF that he gambled on baseball as a player? No proof as a player as far as I know. I just think it sets a bad precedent after all this time to let him in, It's already set a bad precedent to allow some immoral activities and not others, imo. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 21, 2018 15:35:04 GMT -6
No proof as a player as far as I know. I just think it sets a bad precedent after all this time to let him in, It's already set a bad precedent to allow some immoral activities and not others, imo. It sounds to me that it's personality that you don't want in, not actions. Is Keuchel banned because he bared his ass? |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 15:50:48 GMT -6
It's already set a bad precedent to allow some immoral activities and not others, imo. It sounds to me that it's personality that you don't want in, not actions. Is Keuchel banned because he bared his ass? Huh? I'm saying we shouldn't hold players being asshats against them. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 21, 2018 16:07:02 GMT -6
It sounds to me that it's personality that you don't want in, not actions. Is Keuchel banned because he bared his ass? Huh? I'm saying we shouldn't hold players being asshats against them. My bad, that was intended for your nemesis. |
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