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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 30, 2019 16:11:52 GMT -6
Pervasive Yankee homerism. Would Rivera have gotten 100% (first time in history) if he'd been a closer for the Miami Marlins? No, most likely. Gonna happen again next year with Jeter.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 30, 2019 16:38:19 GMT -6
Pervasive Yankee homerism. Would Rivera have gotten 100% (first time in history) if he'd been a closer for the Miami Marlins? No, most likely. Gonna happen again next year with Jeter. I think he would have. Jeter also deserves that honor Imo. I do NOT like the yankees, but I do think they both (and others) deserve it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 30, 2019 16:54:19 GMT -6
Mo would not be in the HOF if not for Jeter, Bernie, Posada et al plating all those runs in front of him
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 30, 2019 16:57:30 GMT -6
Mo would not be in the HOF if not for Jeter, Bernie, Posada et al plating all those runs in front of him That's kinda like saying Hank Aaron wouldn't be there if all those pitchers would have walked him every at bat. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 30, 2019 17:08:30 GMT -6
Mo would not be in the HOF if not for Jeter, Bernie, Posada et al plating all those runs in front of him That's kinda like saying Hank Aaron wouldn't be there if all those pitchers would have walked him every at bat. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 30, 2019 17:41:11 GMT -6
I think Mo deserves it, but relief pitchers are dependent on position-players giving you the save opportunity
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 30, 2019 18:01:14 GMT -6
I think Mo deserves it, but relief pitchers are dependent on position-players giving you the save opportunity Mo should not have been the first unanimous player |
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Post by bearbryant on Jan 30, 2019 18:10:39 GMT -6
I think Mo deserves it, but relief pitchers are dependent on position-players giving you the save opportunity Mo should not have been the first unanimous player
some would disagree. I hope Rivera thanks his teammates in his speech |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 30, 2019 18:27:04 GMT -6
Pervasive Yankee homerism. Would Rivera have gotten 100% (first time in history) if he'd been a closer for the Miami Marlins? No, most likely. Gonna happen again next year with Jeter. I think he would have. Jeter also deserves that honor Imo. I do NOT like the yankees, but I do think they both (and others) deserve it. Deserve HOF? Or deserve 100% votes first year of eligibility? |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 30, 2019 19:33:36 GMT -6
I think he would have. Jeter also deserves that honor Imo. I do NOT like the yankees, but I do think they both (and others) deserve it. Deserve HOF? Or deserve 100% votes first year of eligibility? In my opinion 100% of the vote. Griffey should have gotten 100% as should many others. Don't kill me. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 30, 2019 19:45:08 GMT -6
Deserve HOF? Or deserve 100% votes first year of eligibility? In my opinion 100% of the vote. Griffey should have gotten 100% as should many others. Don't kill me.  |
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Post by abregmanfan on Jan 30, 2019 19:58:35 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 30, 2019 20:02:05 GMT -6
I resemble that remark.
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Post by Saint on Jan 31, 2019 9:17:45 GMT -6
I think Mo deserves it, but relief pitchers are dependent on position-players giving you the save opportunity Mo should not have been the first unanimous player That's an efficient way of saying what I was getting at. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 31, 2019 10:43:00 GMT -6
Closers are the most overrated aspect of baseball, almost as much as BABIP.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 31, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -6
I don't know why all of the people who poopoo the DH being in the HOF are so OK with the closer being a unanimous choice.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 31, 2019 16:04:27 GMT -6
I don't know why all of the people who poopoo the DH being in the HOF are so OK with the closer being a unanimous choice. Two birds with one stone I guess with Edgar getting inducted. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 31, 2019 16:07:28 GMT -6
The fact of the matter is that being a contrarian on the HOF voting committee is slowly dying off because of newer more sane people taking their place. It’s lame that Rivera was unanimous but even lamer that Babe, Big Unit, and Mays weren’t.
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Post by Saint on Jan 31, 2019 16:13:45 GMT -6
For the record, I don't really care that Rivera got 100%, I'm just surprised that clearly more valuable pitchers with more accolades didn't, when not that time has passed.
A 5-time CY winner that hit all the milestones you could possibly want plus a dozen other accolades and postseason success, with no PED-suspicions or off-field drama/criminal activity, had multiple people not vote for him on the 1st ballot only 5 years ago. Now Rivera is in.
Plus, guys like Baines and Smith are now making it. Guys that had impressive careers for sure, but are they the best of the best? Are voters getting too lenient?
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 31, 2019 16:23:43 GMT -6
For the record, I don't really care that Rivera got 100%, I'm just surprised that clearly more valuable pitchers with more accolades didn't, when not that time has passed. A 5-time CY winner that hit all the milestones you could possibly want plus a dozen other accolades and postseason success, with no PED-suspicions or off-field drama/criminal activity, had multiple people not vote for him on the 1st ballot only 5 years ago. Now Rivera is in. Plus, guys like Baines and Smith are now making it. Guys that had impressive careers for sure, but are they the best of the best? Are voters getting too lenient? I disagree with the Baines selection as well. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 7, 2019 14:55:45 GMT -6
Roger Maris has held the single-season record for homers by an American Leaguer for 57 years now. The HOF should give him a plaque even if the Veterans Committee won't elect him
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:14:09 GMT -6
In my opinion 100% of the vote. Griffey should have gotten 100% as should many others. Don't kill me. Put the Uzi down Son!!!! |
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:18:50 GMT -6
Roger Maris has held the single-season record for homers by an American Leaguer for 57 years now. The HOF should give him a plaque even if the Veterans Committee won't elect him Maris needs a publicity campaign, like Edger to have a chance. I noticed Berkman's comment about his backing. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:19:57 GMT -6
Roger Maris has held the single-season record for homers by an American Leaguer for 57 years now. The HOF should give him a plaque even if the Veterans Committee won't elect him Maris needs a publicity campaign, like Edger to have a chance. I noticed Berkman's comment about his backing. Crazy that Maris is not in the Hall. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:22:48 GMT -6
Maris needs a publicity campaign, like Edger to have a chance. I noticed Berkman's comment about his backing. Crazy that Maris is not in the Hall. Especially when he wore pin stripes most of his career. Just like Bear mentioned, at least through the Veterans Committee. |
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Post by Saint on Feb 7, 2019 15:31:42 GMT -6
Maris had a fantastic 2-year run and a very good 6-year run, but he just didn't put up the totals or rate stats career-wise to be be worthy of the HoF. His accomplishment with the 61 HRs is worthy of a display, but he wasn't a HoF-caliber player, imo. (And he wouldn't have passed Ruth without the extra 10 games he payed in for his 61 HRs.)
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:36:29 GMT -6
Maris had a fantastic 2-year run and a very good 6-year run, but he just didn't put up the totals or rate stats career-wise to be be worthy of the HoF. His accomplishment with the 61 HRs is worthy of a display, but he wasn't a HoF-caliber player, imo. (And he wouldn't have passed Ruth without the extra 10 games he payed in for his 61 HRs.) Like you mentioned he didn't have a long run, to maybe warrant a call. What has happened over the last few years in picks makes one wonder if it is more sentimental than statistical. |
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Post by bearbryant on Feb 7, 2019 15:37:32 GMT -6
Maris had a fantastic 2-year run and a very good 6-year run, but he just didn't put up the totals or rate stats career-wise to be be worthy of the HoF. His accomplishment with the 61 HRs is worthy of a display, but he wasn't a HoF-caliber player, imo. (And he wouldn't have passed Ruth without the extra 10 games he payed in for his 61 HRs.) |
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Post by paastrosfan on Feb 7, 2019 15:43:02 GMT -6
Maris had a fantastic 2-year run and a very good 6-year run, but he just didn't put up the totals or rate stats career-wise to be be worthy of the HoF. His accomplishment with the 61 HRs is worthy of a display, but he wasn't a HoF-caliber player, imo. (And he wouldn't have passed Ruth without the extra 10 games he payed in for his 61 HRs.) Seeing today that Frank Robinson passed away, and watching Baseball for the longest time, my personal opinion for the best players in Baseball talent was the 60's. I don't know how many people on the board actually were able to see these players play in that decade, of course Baseball was not covered then like it is now. Which comes to the conclusion of what some of these guys brought to the table. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Feb 7, 2019 16:15:56 GMT -6
I think if 61 years go by and no AL player has busted that total, Maris should get recognized with an official exhibit if not a HOF bust Seeing today that Frank Robinson passed away, and watching Baseball for the longest time, my personal opinion for the best players in Baseball talent was the 60's. I don't know how many people on the board actually were able to see these players play in that decade, of course Baseball was not covered then like it is now. Which comes to the conclusion of what some of these guys brought to the table. I never saw him play. May Mr. Robinson RIP. |
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