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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 12:20:29 GMT -6
LaRussa supported his friend, which is the problem with HoF voting. What about everyone else who voted for him? LaRussa isn't the sole arbiter of who gets into the HOF. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 12:22:39 GMT -6
LaRussa supported his friend, which is the problem with HoF voting. What about everyone else who voted for him? LaRussa isn't the sole arbiter of who gets into the HOF. Probably pressured by LaRussa during a drunken rage? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 12:25:44 GMT -6
I always felt Kenny Lofton was underappreciated. 600+ SBs 2400+ Hits 1500+ Runs .299 AVG .372 OBP and a 68 WAR for those who place some value on the stat. He put up some really impressive seasons for a limited power guy, and was a premier OFer/All-Star during the Steroid Era when a lot of OFers were hitting a ton of HRs and nothing else.
Bobby Abreu will be another guy who had a fantastic career but never got much credit.
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 14, 2018 12:32:30 GMT -6
Abreu was always a better 2nd-half guy than 1st-half. That's why he doesn't have many All-Star nods
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 13:27:35 GMT -6
Abreu was always a better 2nd-half guy than 1st-half. That's why he doesn't have many All-Star nods Not THAT much better. I just think he didn't hit enough HRs for that era. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 14, 2018 13:42:32 GMT -6
Abreu was always a better 2nd-half guy than 1st-half. That's why he doesn't have many All-Star nods And when he did go to the ASG, he hit way too many Derby homers and cooled off in the second half. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Dec 14, 2018 13:47:32 GMT -6
I always felt Kenny Lofton was underappreciated. 600+ SBs 2400+ Hits 1500+ Runs .299 AVG .372 OBP and a 68 WAR for those who place some value on the stat. He put up some really impressive seasons for a limited power guy, and was a premier OFer/All-Star during the Steroid Era when a lot of OFers were hitting a ton of HRs and nothing else. Bobby Abreu will be another guy who had a fantastic career but never got much credit. Lofton was a great player. I wish we had kept him. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 14:50:28 GMT -6
I always felt Kenny Lofton was underappreciated. 600+ SBs 2400+ Hits 1500+ Runs .299 AVG .372 OBP and a 68 WAR for those who place some value on the stat. He put up some really impressive seasons for a limited power guy, and was a premier OFer/All-Star during the Steroid Era when a lot of OFers were hitting a ton of HRs and nothing else. Bobby Abreu will be another guy who had a fantastic career but never got much credit. Lofton was a great player. I wish we had kept him. Imagine having a 1-2-3 of Lofton-Biggio-Bagwell. All that OBP and speed in front of Bagwell.... He'd drive in 150 every year. ESPECIALLY after the move out of the Dome. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 15, 2018 10:59:03 GMT -6
Lofton was a great player. I wish we had kept him. Imagine having a 1-2-3 of Lofton-Biggio-Bagwell. All that OBP and speed in front of Bagwell.... He'd drive in 150 every year. ESPECIALLY after the move out of the Dome. The Astrodome and shoulder robbed him of maybe the 525-homer mark. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 21, 2019 15:25:02 GMT -6
Results tomorrow!
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Post by Saint on Jan 23, 2019 9:25:59 GMT -6
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Rivera. All deserving. No issues with them at all.
1. Schilling was next at 60%. If he would keep his mouth shut for a couple years he'd get in too.
2. Berkman, Tejada, and Oswalt are all off of the ballot now.
3. Wagner and Kent are still on but a long ways away.
4. Some how, Placido Polanco got two votes....wtf?
5. Bonds and Clemens didn't quite get 60%.
6. McGriff is off (he'll probably make it later from the Veteran's Committee or whatevre).
7. Larry Walker had a nice 20% jump but he is still only at 54% and only has one more year. Coors effect is keeping him out.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 23, 2019 11:50:33 GMT -6
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Rivera. All deserving. No issues with them at all. 1. Schilling was next at 60%. If he would keep his mouth shut for a couple years he'd get in too. 2. Berkman, Tejada, and Oswalt are all off of the ballot now. 3. Wagner and Kent are still on but a long ways away. 4. Some how, Placido Polanco got two votes....wtf? 5. Bonds and Clemens didn't quite get 60%. 6. McGriff is off (he'll probably make it later from the Veteran's Committee or whatevre). 7. Larry Walker had a nice 20% jump but he is still only at 54% and only has one more year. Coors effect is keeping him out. I am a huge Wagner fan....plus, I like Clemens a lot...Clemens is HOF worthy, Wagner needs help, but it will not happen. |
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Post by m240 on Jan 24, 2019 7:28:53 GMT -6
Wagner, man talk about a little guy who could bring the heat. He looked pretty easy doing it too.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2019 7:48:25 GMT -6
The McGriff thing is a joke.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 24, 2019 8:05:51 GMT -6
The McGriff thing is a joke. If McGriff gets in so should Berkman....their numbers are very comparable. Actually I like Berkman's more, career slash line of .293/.406/.537 compared to McGriff's .287/.376/.505 |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 8:09:38 GMT -6
Berkman had better rate stats, but McGriff put up the better totals.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 24, 2019 8:37:00 GMT -6
What? HRs, RBIS and hits...I mean he did play 156 more games than Berkman....Look at the totals below, I don't see McGriff beating Berkman...Berkman had McGriff on Doubles, Triples, Runs, SBs, Walks, and less Ks.....you could say tie, but I think if look at the totals and add in the slash line, Berkman beats McGriff
McGriff vs Berkman
Games: 2,035 vs 1,879
Hits: 2,117 vs 1,905
2Bs: 363 vs 422
3Bs: 17 vs 30
HRs: 403 vs 366
RBIS: 1,333 vs 1,234
Runs: 1,092 vs 1,145
SBs: 56 vs 86
BBs: 1,047 vs 1,201
Ks: 1,495 vs 1,300
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Post by m240 on Jan 24, 2019 8:51:20 GMT -6
What? HRs, RBIS and hits...I mean he did play 156 more games than Berkman....Look at the totals below, I don't see McGriff beating Berkman...Berkman had McGriff on Doubles, Triples, Runs, SBs, Walks, and less Ks.....you could say tie, but I think if look at the totals and add in the slash line, Berkman beats McGriff McGriff vs Berkman Games: 2,035 vs 1,879 Hits: 2,117 vs 1,905 2Bs: 363 vs 422 3Bs: 17 vs 30 HRs: 403 vs 366 RBIS: 1,333 vs 1,234 Runs: 1,092 vs 1,145 SBs: 56 vs 86 BBs: 1,047 vs 1,201 Ks: 1,495 vs 1,300 Looking at those numbers it is hard to understand how Berkman did so poorly in the voting, or it is even harder to understand how McGriff got so many votes. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2019 9:31:35 GMT -6
What? HRs, RBIS and hits...I mean he did play 156 more games than Berkman....Look at the totals below, I don't see McGriff beating Berkman...Berkman had McGriff on Doubles, Triples, Runs, SBs, Walks, and less Ks.....you could say tie, but I think if look at the totals and add in the slash line, Berkman beats McGriff McGriff vs Berkman Games: 2,035 vs 1,879 Hits: 2,117 vs 1,905 2Bs: 363 vs 422 3Bs: 17 vs 30 HRs: 403 vs 366 RBIS: 1,333 vs 1,234 Runs: 1,092 vs 1,145 SBs: 56 vs 86 BBs: 1,047 vs 1,201 Ks: 1,495 vs 1,300 McGriff had 493 HR and 1,550 RBI. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgrifr01.shtml |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jan 24, 2019 10:13:10 GMT -6
What? HRs, RBIS and hits...I mean he did play 156 more games than Berkman....Look at the totals below, I don't see McGriff beating Berkman...Berkman had McGriff on Doubles, Triples, Runs, SBs, Walks, and less Ks.....you could say tie, but I think if look at the totals and add in the slash line, Berkman beats McGriff McGriff vs Berkman Games: 2,035 vs 1,879 Hits: 2,117 vs 1,905 2Bs: 363 vs 422 3Bs: 17 vs 30 HRs: 403 vs 366 RBIS: 1,333 vs 1,234 Runs: 1,092 vs 1,145 SBs: 56 vs 86 BBs: 1,047 vs 1,201 Ks: 1,495 vs 1,300 Looking at those numbers it is hard to understand how Berkman did so poorly in the voting, or it is even harder to understand how McGriff got so many votes. Berkman spoke out against Transvestites or whatever. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jan 24, 2019 11:30:45 GMT -6
What? HRs, RBIS and hits...I mean he did play 156 more games than Berkman....Look at the totals below, I don't see McGriff beating Berkman...Berkman had McGriff on Doubles, Triples, Runs, SBs, Walks, and less Ks.....you could say tie, but I think if look at the totals and add in the slash line, Berkman beats McGriff McGriff vs Berkman Games: 2,035 vs 1,879 Hits: 2,117 vs 1,905 2Bs: 363 vs 422 3Bs: 17 vs 30 HRs: 403 vs 366 RBIS: 1,333 vs 1,234 Runs: 1,092 vs 1,145 SBs: 56 vs 86 BBs: 1,047 vs 1,201 Ks: 1,495 vs 1,300 McGriff had 493 HR and 1,550 RBI. www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcgrifr01.shtmldang rotoworld...okay that is a big difference from what they had. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 14:07:05 GMT -6
dang rotoworld...okay that is a big difference from what they had. If your original numbers were correct, I'd agree with you. 😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 14:13:56 GMT -6
dang rotoworld...okay that is a big difference from what they had. If your original numbers were correct, I'd agree with you. 😁 McGriiff used to be us like a drum. Shame he has been overlooked. Just for kicks I checked the splits on his career against us. Highest HR total? 41HRs against us. Next highest team? The Reds at 31 HR's. |
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Post by Saint on Jan 24, 2019 14:17:04 GMT -6
If your original numbers were correct, I'd agree with you. 😁 McGriiff used to be us like a drum. Shame he has been overlooked. Just for kicks I checked the splits on his career against us. Highest HR total? 41HRs against us. Next highest team? The Reds at 31 HR's. How Baines has made it and not McGriff is strange. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 24, 2019 22:41:55 GMT -6
McGriiff used to be us like a drum. Shame he has been overlooked. Just for kicks I checked the splits on his career against us. Highest HR total? 41HRs against us. Next highest team? The Reds at 31 HR's. How Baines has made it and not McGriff is strange. Yeah, I just don’t get it. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jan 24, 2019 22:50:36 GMT -6
How Baines has made it and not McGriff is strange. Yeah, I just don’t get it. I don't have a problem with Baines being in the HOF, but, McGriff definitely belongs in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 23:06:16 GMT -6
Yeah, I just don’t get it. I don't have a problem with Baines being in the HOF, but, McGriff definitely belongs in it. McGriff was not a showboating player, and made a point not to call attention to himself. Major ovesight of the HOF BB writers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 23:15:34 GMT -6
You another one, who missed out due to some logevity issues, and a McGriff team mate was Dale Murphy.
Probably the hardest ball I have ever seen hit in at a MLB game was by Mrurphy in the early '80's. He hit a line drive so hard that it hit the Dome centerfield scoreboard screen while still having an obvious upward projection. No telling how far that ball would have went unabated.
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Post by Saint on Jan 30, 2019 15:37:34 GMT -6
I'm glad Rivera got in and he was obviously a no-doubter. But it's interesting how far we've come with voting.
In 2014, Greg Maddux made it in the Hall on the 1st ballot. But despite having 355 Wins, *4 CY Youngs*, 4 ERA Titles, 18 Gold Gloves, etc., he only received 97.2%.
In 2015, Randy Johnson made it on his 1st ballot. But despite having 300+ Wins, *5 CY Youngs*, WS MVP, etc., he only received 97.3%.
And now in 2019, a relief pitcher (a great closer of course) who pitched 25% the amount of innings as those other two, and had *0 CY Youngs*, received a 100%.
Interesting change in only 5 years.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jan 30, 2019 15:44:15 GMT -6
I'm glad Rivera got in and he was obviously a no-doubter. But it's interesting how far we've come with voting. In 2014, Greg Maddux made it in the Hall on the 1st ballot. But despite having 355 Wins, *4 CY Youngs*, 4 ERA Titles, 18 Gold Gloves, etc., he only received 97.2%. In 2015, Randy Johnson made it on his 1st ballot. But despite having 300+ Wins, *5 CY Youngs*, WS MVP, etc., he only received 97.3%. And now in 2019, a relief pitcher (a great closer of course) who pitched 25% the amount of innings as those other two, and had *0 CY Youngs*, received a 100%. Interesting change in only 5 years. Full of idiots, that’s why. |
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