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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 21, 2018 16:20:15 GMT -6
Keuchel showing ass = lifetime ban from baseball
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2018 17:10:41 GMT -6
It's already set a bad precedent to allow some immoral activities and not others, imo. It sounds to me that it's personality that you don't want in, not actions. Is Keuchel banned because he bared his ass? We won't have to worry about Keuchel getting in the HOF even if he hadn't bared his ass. He isn't close to being good enough. Showing his ass should not keep him out.........if he deserved to be there......showing his ass shows a lack of class and character, in my opinion. If Keuchel needs to show his ass to get attention, maybe he should get out of baseball and get into porn. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2018 17:11:36 GMT -6
Keuchel showing ass = lifetime ban from baseball Showing his ass makes Keuchel look totally classless. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 21, 2018 19:25:51 GMT -6
Keuchel showing ass = lifetime ban from baseball Showing his ass makes Keuchel look totally classless. I’d rather he look classless than actually be classless. Most importantly, I’d like him to pitch like an ace. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Nov 21, 2018 19:49:33 GMT -6
Showing his ass makes Keuchel look totally classless. I’d rather he look classless than actually be classless. Most importantly, I’d like him to pitch like an ace. He had ONE season of being an ace........nothing close since. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 21, 2018 20:21:34 GMT -6
I’d rather he look classless than actually be classless. Most importantly, I’d like him to pitch like an ace. He had ONE season of being an ace........nothing close since. You mean outside of last year. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 26, 2018 11:28:50 GMT -6
Bonds Clemens Mussina Rivera Schilling Martinez McGriff Kent (Best power-hitting 2B of all-time and he hasn't gotten more than 16% )Sheffield Wagner Next Year: Halladay Rolen |
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Post by Saint on Nov 26, 2018 12:16:30 GMT -6
Bonds Clemens Mussina Rivera Schilling Martinez McGriff Kent (Best power-hitting 2B of all-time and he hasn't gotten more than 16%)Sheffield Wagner Next Year: Halladay Rolen yeah, I've changed my mind on a few guys actually. Edgar Martinez and Sheffield are two others. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 9, 2018 20:07:39 GMT -6
Baines and Lee Smith voted in today.
Baines...meh.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 4:40:48 GMT -6
While McGriff and Sheffield still are still frozen out. Hmmmmm. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 10, 2018 8:30:12 GMT -6
Yeah I don't get why not McGriff at this point. I didn't believe he was worthy a while back, but he is certainly more worthy than Baines.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 10, 2018 9:29:24 GMT -6
Yeah I don't get why not McGriff at this point. I didn't believe he was worthy a while back, but he is certainly more worthy than Baines. Did his performance improve since back when you didn't think he was worthy? |
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Post by Saint on Dec 10, 2018 9:49:04 GMT -6
Yeah I don't get why not McGriff at this point. I didn't believe he was worthy a while back, but he is certainly more worthy than Baines. Did his performance improve since back when you didn't think he was worthy? Well I don't recall my exact arguments at the time, but I know for a while there seemed to be a ton of power hitters in baseball. And I felt that players were going to need to do more than just be a power hitter to really set them apart (like Bagwell being so good defensively and a good baserunner, high AVG, etc). McGriff was a guy that was a HoF-caliber power hitter, but he didn't have an especially high AVG, he didn't run well, and he was fairly poor defensively even for a 1B, and, even as a good power hitter, he only cracked the top-5 MVP voting one season. Now that the offense has sort of returned to normal a little and we look back at the era, I feel his numbers do stand out pretty well. He's still borderline, but I think he's worthy. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2018 10:17:04 GMT -6
Baines and Lee Smith voted in today. Baines...meh. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 11:06:09 GMT -6
Baines and Lee Smith voted in today. Baines...meh. Agreed. Baines is my issue. Good player for a long time, but never an elite player. Never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting. Played 22 years but never reached any of the big milestones. Spent more than half of his career as purely a DH. (And wasn't an elite hitter as a DH like Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.) |
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Post by paastrosfan on Dec 11, 2018 11:12:44 GMT -6
I thought Smith deserved in 10 years ago Agreed. Baines is my issue. Good player for a long time, but never an elite player. Never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting. Played 22 years but never reached any of the big milestones. Spent more than half of his career as purely a DH. (And wasn't an elite hitter as a DH like Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.) Talk about picking a player totally off the radar. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 11:17:30 GMT -6
Agreed. Baines is my issue. Good player for a long time, but never an elite player. Never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting. Played 22 years but never reached any of the big milestones. Spent more than half of his career as purely a DH. (And wasn't an elite hitter as a DH like Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.) Talk about picking a player totally off the radar. Ted Simmons or Joe Torre should be in long before him. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 13:31:38 GMT -6
I really wish Wagner had pitched one more year. He would have easily moved into the top-5 in Saves all-time, and with his ridiculously good rate stats he'd have a good chance at making the Hall. He still has a decent chance I think, but another season or two would have probably sealed it for him, imo.
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Post by unionstation82 on Dec 11, 2018 13:44:23 GMT -6
I really wish Wagner had pitched one more year. He would have easily moved into the top-5 in Saves all-time, and with his ridiculously good rate stats he'd have a good chance at making the Hall. He still has a decent chance I think, but another season or two would have probably sealed it for him, imo. I wish Mussina made it to 300 wins. He was a boss. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2018 15:15:26 GMT -6
I thought Smith deserved in 10 years ago Agreed. Baines is my issue. Good player for a long time, but never an elite player. Never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting. Played 22 years but never reached any of the big milestones. Spent more than half of his career as purely a DH. (And wasn't an elite hitter as a DH like Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.) |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 15:53:53 GMT -6
I really wish Wagner had pitched one more year. He would have easily moved into the top-5 in Saves all-time, and with his ridiculously good rate stats he'd have a good chance at making the Hall. He still has a decent chance I think, but another season or two would have probably sealed it for him, imo. I wish Mussina made it to 300 wins. He was a boss. Yeah, but he's going to make it anyways. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 15:54:22 GMT -6
Agreed. Baines is my issue. Good player for a long time, but never an elite player. Never finished higher than 9th in MVP voting. Played 22 years but never reached any of the big milestones. Spent more than half of his career as purely a DH. (And wasn't an elite hitter as a DH like Edgar Martinez or David Ortiz.) And that's dumb. So here comes Jamie Moyer and Johnny Damon. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2018 16:07:38 GMT -6
Baines getting in cause of his totals. His rates were lackluster And that's dumb. So here comes Jamie Moyer and Johnny Damon.
Matthews Jr. and Gary Matthews Sr. in the box |
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Post by thomasj13 on Dec 11, 2018 16:15:09 GMT -6
I really wish Wagner had pitched one more year. He would have easily moved into the top-5 in Saves all-time, and with his ridiculously good rate stats he'd have a good chance at making the Hall. He still has a decent chance I think, but another season or two would have probably sealed it for him, imo. I like Wagner a lot...lidge, dotel, Wagner was the best trio of all time. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 11, 2018 16:17:20 GMT -6
And that's dumb. So here comes Jamie Moyer and Johnny Damon.
Matthews Jr. and Gary Matthews Sr. in the boxYeah but considering it not the same as voting. Hall of Fame. Not Hall of Healthy. |
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Post by bearbryant on Dec 11, 2018 16:20:25 GMT -6
Damon I doubt. But I can see HOFers considering everyone who has a 20-year career and their rationale for it. It's a ridiculously long time to play. Moyer is the only pitcher who faced Gary
Matthews Jr. and Gary Matthews Sr. in the box Yeah but considering it not the same as voting. Hall of Fame. Not Hall of Healthy. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 10:38:32 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Dec 14, 2018 10:47:14 GMT -6
La Russa said: “I would love to get into a legitimate confrontation or debate where we pull out the stuff we looked at and that weak-ass superficial bulls— you look at.”
He's not a fan of y'alls "weak-ass, superficial bullshit" Sabremetrics. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 11:58:32 GMT -6
La Russa said: “I would love to get into a legitimate confrontation or debate where we pull out the stuff we looked at and that weak-ass superficial bulls— you look at.” He's not a fan of y'alls "weak-ass, superficial bullshit" Sabremetrics. LOL. Tough to argue with a guy who is No. 3 all times wins as a mgr, and 3 titles under his belt. |
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Post by Saint on Dec 14, 2018 12:09:18 GMT -6
Mostly old man yelling at a cloud nonsense to me. A different article I read had an argument about why Baines and not Oliver, which is a good one, whether you're a fan of sabermetrics or not.
More AS appearances, more SS, a batting title, career .300+ AVG, and actually had to play defense his whole career....
LaRussa supported his friend, which is the problem with HoF voting.
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