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Post by nathangarza29 on May 11, 2019 11:32:14 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them.
This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me.
He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it.
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 11, 2019 11:32:44 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first See if he could bump 1 of the two OFers Kemp or Marisnick off this roster. DFA White. Sorry but its time. BRANTLEY can play DH. Hood thing is Straw can play SS aswell. So he can get mixxed playing time. If straw does well then bump Kemp or Marisnick out and call up Alvarez. Bump down Josh James let him get a reality check Kind of like a chain thing. Alvarez does good your gonna have to make a hard decision. What to do Dfa Kemp or send down Marisnick? Alvarez can play DH. 1B and COF. So if and I say if he hits well then he can bring some juice into this lineup. I conti uw to say I would try to trade for Alfaro from the Marlins. Very young guy who can hit and potentially take over next year. Still think we need a SP or two bump down McHugh to the Pen No way Straw is a MLB caliber ss. He is getting shots in AAA. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 11, 2019 11:37:51 GMT -6
No way Straw is a MLB caliber ss. He is getting shots in AAA. Does that prove he can play SS in the majors? He hasn't proven he can do it at AAA. He hasn't proven he can hit or be an above average OF |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 11, 2019 11:40:24 GMT -6
He is getting shots in AAA. Does that prove he can play SS in the majors? He hasn't proven he can do it at AAA. He hasn't proven he can hit or be an above average OF .300 avg gets on base and steals bases. What do you mean he cant hit |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 11, 2019 11:43:33 GMT -6
Does that prove he can play SS in the majors? He hasn't proven he can do it at AAA. He hasn't proven he can hit or be an above average OF .300 avg gets on base and steals bases. What do you mean he cant hit Straw is a threat to Corch’s nephew, Marisnick, so he will make any nutty claims he thinks will shed a bad light on Straw. Ignore it. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 11, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -6
Does that prove he can play SS in the majors? He hasn't proven he can do it at AAA. He hasn't proven he can hit or be an above average OF .300 avg gets on base and steals bases. What do you mean he cant hit Yeah, he's fast. He can sorta hit (although those numbers are in the minors and probably won't hold up in the bigs) because he's a contact hitter and legs out infield hits. No power whatsoever.
I totally understand the desire to bring up Alvarez and start his ML clock ticking earlier than necessary (although personally I wouldn't unless there's an injury to Reddick or Brantley). He's absolutely crushing it. But Straw? I just don't see it.
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Post by thomasj13 on May 11, 2019 12:20:42 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first See if he could bump 1 of the two OFers Kemp or Marisnick off this roster. DFA White. Sorry but its time. BRANTLEY can play DH. Hood thing is Straw can play SS aswell. So he can get mixxed playing time. If straw does well then bump Kemp or Marisnick out and call up Alvarez. Bump down Josh James let him get a reality check Kind of like a chain thing. Alvarez does good your gonna have to make a hard decision. What to do Dfa Kemp or send down Marisnick? Alvarez can play DH. 1B and COF. So if and I say if he hits well then he can bring some juice into this lineup. I conti uw to say I would try to trade for Alfaro from the Marlins. Very young guy who can hit and potentially take over next year. Still think we need a SP or two bump down McHugh to the Pen How does one play DH? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 11, 2019 12:22:40 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them. This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me. He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it. The price of gaining a Sp loke MadBum If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 11, 2019 12:26:14 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on May 11, 2019 12:27:30 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first See if he could bump 1 of the two OFers Kemp or Marisnick off this roster. DFA White. Sorry but its time. BRANTLEY can play DH. Hood thing is Straw can play SS aswell. So he can get mixxed playing time. If straw does well then bump Kemp or Marisnick out and call up Alvarez. Bump down Josh James let him get a reality check Kind of like a chain thing. Alvarez does good your gonna have to make a hard decision. What to do Dfa Kemp or send down Marisnick? Alvarez can play DH. 1B and COF. So if and I say if he hits well then he can bring some juice into this lineup. I conti uw to say I would try to trade for Alfaro from the Marlins. Very young guy who can hit and potentially take over next year. Still think we need a SP or two bump down McHugh to the Pen No way Straw is a MLB caliber ss. I would hope no way is saying Straw is a MLB caliber SS....but he is getting time at SS, so hopefully if the situation came about, he can be called upon if needed. If Altuve is going to be out for awhile...Diaz will take his spot, so a backup utility player is needed. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 11, 2019 12:30:29 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first See if he could bump 1 of the two OFers Kemp or Marisnick off this roster. DFA White. Sorry but its time. BRANTLEY can play DH. Hood thing is Straw can play SS aswell. So he can get mixxed playing time. If straw does well then bump Kemp or Marisnick out and call up Alvarez. Bump down Josh James let him get a reality check Kind of like a chain thing. Alvarez does good your gonna have to make a hard decision. What to do Dfa Kemp or send down Marisnick? Alvarez can play DH. 1B and COF. So if and I say if he hits well then he can bring some juice into this lineup. I conti uw to say I would try to trade for Alfaro from the Marlins. Very young guy who can hit and potentially take over next year. Still think we need a SP or two bump down McHugh to the Pen How does one play DH? Stands there and spits seeds till its his time to bat Duh |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 11, 2019 12:33:28 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them. This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me. He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it. The price of gaining a Sp loke MadBum If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? Depends on the salary. Three more years at his present salary? I'd do that in a heartbeat! But we know he'll be asking for more.
Verlander money? NFW. But I doubt he'd be that greedy.
Somewhere in between? Shoot me a number and I'll give you my opinion.
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Post by talshill on May 11, 2019 12:43:10 GMT -6
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Post by marshall on May 11, 2019 12:46:52 GMT -6
It's all about leveraging your power to maximize your value. It's a very strategic list rather than a personal one. But much like Keuchel, I think he'll ask too much because of some bad deals recently made. Madbaum is on a declining trend when you would expect one. Don't pay for past performance with someone else, pay for expected performance for your team. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on May 11, 2019 12:48:19 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them. This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me. He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it. The price of gaining a Sp loke MadBum If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? Heres my thing. Kyle Tucker or Forrest Whitley is worth more then Madison Bumgarner. But if you send us a package of MADISON BUMGARNER REYES MORONTA AND Joey Bart For lets say Kyle Tucker Josh James Garret Stubbs And Jairo Solis I think I would be ok with that. The Astros have never had a real promising C in the Minors and if they could get Bart in a deal like that it would be a way to pry Tucker from the Astros. I understand no one would wanna trade Josh James but it would help this package tremendously. Stubbs and Solis would be great adds for a team like the Giants who are so close to a rebuild its unbelieveable. As for the astros you offer Madison Bumgarner a 3yr deal with options for a 4th and 5th yr. Moronta goes into the Bullpen to replace James. Bart is your future catcher. I would do this deal |
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Post by talshill on May 11, 2019 12:57:08 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first Do you think those barely adequate numbers he's putting up in the minors will hold up the majors? Do the Astros desperately need a pinch-runner? Do you have a thing for wimpy hitters who can leg-out an infield single? Do you think only one glove-first outfielder (Marisnick) isn't enough for the team? You're new here, so I'll try to guide you. VD/nathan, aside from his struggles with grammar, syntax and spelling, also struggles with talent evaluation. A couple of years ago he wanted to trade Bregman for some flavor-of-the-month player. When I objected to trading him and said that I thought Bregman would be good, I was assured by VD/nathan that we already had Bregman 2.0 in our minor league system. The player was Reid Brignac. Yes, that Reid Brignac, the 33-year-old journeyman infielder with a career BA of .219 and a career OPS of .573. Need I say more (additional examples upon request)? |
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Post by marshall on May 11, 2019 12:58:00 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them. This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me. He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it. The price of gaining a Sp loke MadBum If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? For $20M/yr., yes. For $30M/yr., no way. His ERA+ is in it's 4th year of decline. Bad trend. |
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Post by abregmanfan on May 11, 2019 13:05:45 GMT -6
WHY?Do you think those barely adequate numbers he's putting up in the minors will hold up the majors? Do the Astros desperately need a pinch-runner? Do you have a thing for wimpy hitters who can leg-out an infield single? Do you think only one glove-first outfielder (Marisnick) isn't enough for the team? You're new here, so I'll try to guide you. VD/nathan, aside from his struggles with grammar, syntax and spelling, also struggles with talent evaluation. A couple of years ago he wanted to trade Bregman for some flavor-of-the-month player. When I objected to trading him and said that I thought Bregman would be good, I was assured by VD/nathan that we already had Bregman 2.0 in our minor league system. The player was Reid Brignac. Yes, that Reid Brignac, the 33-year-old journeyman infielder with a career BA of .219 and a career OPS of .573. Need I say more (additional examples upon request)? I request additional examples. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 11, 2019 13:13:08 GMT -6
I guess there are 3, VD is fan. 4 4? I knew it, I am surrounded by Assholes....Keep posting Assholes! |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 11, 2019 13:16:41 GMT -6
4? I knew it, I am surrounded by Assholes....Keep posting Assholes! I think the term you're looking for is 'primitive screwheads'.  |
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Post by abregmanfan on May 11, 2019 13:19:00 GMT -6
4? I knew it, I am surrounded by Assholes....Keep posting Assholes! |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 11, 2019 13:26:42 GMT -6
If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? For $20M/yr., yes. For $30M/yr., no way. His ERA+ is in it's 4th year of decline. Bad trend. I know it is a hypothetical question....but I don't see a scenario where the Giants can leverage a 3 year extension situation to the Astros...their end is only a 1/2 season...so any trade compensation should be based on that.....and I think Bukauskas should be the prize piece in a packaged deal for Bumgarner....Now after the Astros obtained Bumgarner, if his mechanics/velocity all warrants a 3 year extension, I would be for it....At $30M a year, no, but $22.5 to $25M a year for 3 years, yes. |
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Post by thomasj13 on May 11, 2019 13:29:17 GMT -6
4? I knew it, I am surrounded by Assholes....Keep posting Assholes! I know you have to know the movie reference, but if there is actually someone here that doesn't (shakes head), here you go |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on May 11, 2019 13:36:14 GMT -6
WHY?Do you think those barely adequate numbers he's putting up in the minors will hold up the majors? Do the Astros desperately need a pinch-runner? Do you have a thing for wimpy hitters who can leg-out an infield single? Do you think only one glove-first outfielder (Marisnick) isn't enough for the team? You're new here, so I'll try to guide you. VD/nathan, aside from his struggles with grammar, syntax and spelling, also struggles with talent evaluation. A couple of years ago he wanted to trade Bregman for some flavor-of-the-month player. When I objected to trading him and said that I thought Bregman would be good, I was assured by VD/nathan that we already had Bregman 2.0 in our minor league system. The player was Reid Brignac. Yes, that Reid Brignac, the 33-year-old journeyman infielder with a career BA of .219 and a career OPS of .573. Need I say more (additional examples upon request)? Yeah, I'm new here. But not to baseball message boards. I used to visit most of the mlb boards before they pulled the rug out from under us.
As far as the grammar, syntax, and spelling, I'm tempted to give VooDoo a pass for some of it because he's posting from mobile. I could write some of it off as fat-finger-syndrome. But there's so damned much of it, that it's annoying AF.
There always seems to be that one guy who wants to buy and sell across the board even when it isn't necessary. I guess we know who that is here.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on May 11, 2019 13:48:14 GMT -6
4? I knew it, I am surrounded by Assholes....Keep posting Assholes! I think the term you're looking for is 'primitive screwheads'. Hey now! |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 11, 2019 13:54:03 GMT -6
I would call up Straw first See if he could bump 1 of the two OFers Kemp or Marisnick off this roster. DFA White. Sorry but its time. BRANTLEY can play DH. Hood thing is Straw can play SS aswell. So he can get mixxed playing time. If straw does well then bump Kemp or Marisnick out and call up Alvarez. Bump down Josh James let him get a reality check Kind of like a chain thing. Alvarez does good your gonna have to make a hard decision. What to do Dfa Kemp or send down Marisnick? Alvarez can play DH. 1B and COF. So if and I say if he hits well then he can bring some juice into this lineup. I conti uw to say I would try to trade for Alfaro from the Marlins. Very young guy who can hit and potentially take over next year. Still think we need a SP or two bump down McHugh to the Pen How does one play DH? ***** Hahahahaha. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 11, 2019 13:57:22 GMT -6
Madison Bumgarner has put out a list of teams on his no trade list and the Astros are one of them. This does not necessarily mean he cant be traded to them, rather he can choose yes ill go or no chance you will get me. He also wants a 3yr extension since he has the no trade clause and would have to waive it. The price of gaining a Sp loke MadBum If Bumgarner would agree to a trade to the Astros contingent upon us giving him a 3 year extension...would y’all give up Tucker or Whitley for him? Probably not. He’s only getting older and less dominant. |
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Post by unionstation82 on May 11, 2019 14:01:42 GMT -6
I always hate seeing the “they won’t call him up now because most of the big league players are performing well” argument. I think every spot in the lineup should be expected to be doing well, and would fire any manager who is ok with 1/3 of their lineup sucking because hey, the other 2/3 are doing their jobs. It’s probably all about that Super Two date. Otherwise, there’s no excuse not to promote someone who’s tearing the cover off the ball while our pitiful DH loses playing time and can’t drive in runs when he actually gets penciled into the lineup card. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 11, 2019 14:03:29 GMT -6
Does that prove he can play SS in the majors? He hasn't proven he can do it at AAA. He hasn't proven he can hit or be an above average OF .300 avg gets on base and steals bases. What do you mean he cant hit Has he hit kin the majors? That remains to be seen. |
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Post by blcoach8 on May 11, 2019 14:09:06 GMT -6
.300 avg gets on base and steals bases. What do you mean he cant hit Straw is a threat to Corch’s nephew, Marisnick, so he will make any nutty claims he thinks will shed a bad light on Straw. Ignore it. If Jake wasn't around you would need a new whipping boy. As I said before, if Straw proves he can hit and be a good OF, I have no problem with him replacing Jake. I'll need more proof than something Nathangarza pulls out of his ass. If we hzd done what he suggested in the off season. Reddick and Gurriel would be gone.  |
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