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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 8:08:41 GMT -6
No that wouldnt but maybe Chris Archer and Felipe Vazquez for Bryan Abreu, Chris Devenski, Tyler White, Derek Fisher, Jayson Schroeder and Abraham Toro could.
We essentially throw in White and Devenski for thw Archer Crap. And the Pirates get 4 prospects 1 being a lotto pick in Schroeder.
Pretty sure they would jump at the oppertunity.
Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me. Only thing is the Pirates would never save face if they turn and move Archer after they got fleeced in trading with the Rays to get Archer.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 8:17:04 GMT -6
No that wouldnt but maybe Chris Archer and Felipe Vazquez for Bryan Abreu, Chris Devenski, Tyler White, Derek Fisher, Jayson Schroeder and Abraham Toro could. We essentially throw in White and Devenski for thw Archer Crap. And the Pirates get 4 prospects 1 being a lotto pick in Schroeder. Pretty sure they would jump at the oppertunity. Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me. Only thing is the Pirates would never save face if they turn and move Archer after they got fleeced in trading with the Rays to get Archer. Tweet your idea to Luhnow |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 8:28:07 GMT -6
Archer seems more like an off season move. Or a move by a team that's out of it this year but might make a run at it next year. What our genius doesn't take into account is that Archer blocks a roster spot. He can't be optioned to the minors. So he'll have to stink up the mound any time you trot him out there, until he gets fixed ... if he ever gets fixed. Not a smart way to run a team that's targeting the best position in the postseason. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 8:29:58 GMT -6
No that wouldnt but maybe Chris Archer and Felipe Vazquez for Bryan Abreu, Chris Devenski, Tyler White, Derek Fisher, Jayson Schroeder and Abraham Toro could. We essentially throw in White and Devenski for thw Archer Crap. And the Pirates get 4 prospects 1 being a lotto pick in Schroeder. Pretty sure they would jump at the oppertunity. Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me. Only thing is the Pirates would never save face if they turn and move Archer after they got fleeced in trading with the Rays to get Archer. Tweet your idea to Luhnow Why? They do what they wanna do. Js. The pirates game the world for Archer. And you see where they are today. Archer can rebound yes, but at what cost to the Pirates? Think about it? The Pirates will end up asking ti much trying to save face. Then they will keep him thinking hey he will be better next year. And he will rot in Pittsburgh. No matter which way we look at it. Im looking at Trade repor. Pirates and Blue Jays we have a repor with. Why not hit the honey holes again? |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 8:33:36 GMT -6
Archer seems more like an off season move. Or a move by a team that's out of it this year but might make a run at it next year. What our genius doesn't take into account is that Archer blocks a roster spot. He can't be optioned to the minors. So he'll have to stink up the mound any time you trot him out there, until he gets fixed ... if he ever gets fixed. Not a smart way to run a team that's targeting the best position in the postseason. Lmao if you get Vazquez why not? Your moving Devenski in the deal or even Joe Smith So why not let him try a couple games out of the pen see if Strom can fix some of his stuff before lions den. Js Perez, Armentaros, Devenski, James and Smith could all be moved away either optioning or trade. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 8:39:41 GMT -6
Or a move by a team that's out of it this year but might make a run at it next year. What our genius doesn't take into account is that Archer blocks a roster spot. He can't be optioned to the minors. So he'll have to stink up the mound any time you trot him out there, until he gets fixed ... if he ever gets fixed. Not a smart way to run a team that's targeting the best position in the postseason. Lmao if you get Vazquez why not? Your moving Devenski in the deal or even Joe Smith So why not let him try a couple games out of the pen see if Strom can fix some of his stuff before lions den. Js Perez, Armentaros, Devenski, James and Smith could all be moved away either optioning or trade. Archer needs a lot of tweaking, not a mid-season move...I don't see him being an asset to the 2019 rotation....for 2020, yes, with a lot of work in the off season....I feel the same with Adam Conley. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2019 8:44:22 GMT -6
Bumgarner or Greinke are proven successful pitchers, with Greinke being a likely HoFer.
Chris Archer has always been overrated. People around here were down on Keuchel last season, but Archer has only had two seasons as good or better than what Keuchel did last year and both of those seasons were over 3 years ago. He might be a decent #3 after this year, but he isn't a difference maker right now.
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 8:45:18 GMT -6
Because this is Jeff Luhnow:  This is not Jeff Luhnow:  |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 9:07:45 GMT -6
Because this is Jeff Luhnow: This is not Jeff Luhnow: Sure and knowing what you know about Lunhow do you really think he will go get an over priced 1 year guy thinking ahead alittle about next years rotation? I think not. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 9:11:12 GMT -6
Bumgarner or Greinke are proven successful pitchers, with Greinke being a likely HoFer. Chris Archer has always been overrated. People around here were down on Keuchel last season, but Archer has only had two seasons as good or better than what Keuchel did last year and both of those seasons were over 3 years ago. He might be a decent #3 after this year, but he isn't a difference maker right now. Your correct they are proven. But 1 is falling and 1year left on his contract. The other has 3years of outrageous amounts of money still owed to him. 1 is in his mid 30s the other is almost 30. This is not the ideal situation for the future of the club. Essentially they would want a young guy to come along that has control. Boyd and Stroman ring that bell very well. The price of them would be the same price as Grienke I would think . So why not get a guy not as expensive that you can have for several years? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2019 9:12:56 GMT -6
No that wouldnt but maybe Chris Archer and Felipe Vazquez for Bryan Abreu, Chris Devenski, Tyler White, Derek Fisher, Jayson Schroeder and Abraham Toro could. We essentially throw in White and Devenski for thw Archer Crap. And the Pirates get 4 prospects 1 being a lotto pick in Schroeder. Pretty sure they would jump at the oppertunity. Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me. Only thing is the Pirates would never save face if they turn and move Archer after they got fleeced in trading with the Rays to get Archer. Son, adding more players to a deal doesn’t make it a better deal. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2019 9:13:49 GMT -6
Bumgarner or Greinke are proven successful pitchers, with Greinke being a likely HoFer. Chris Archer has always been overrated. People around here were down on Keuchel last season, but Archer has only had two seasons as good or better than what Keuchel did last year and both of those seasons were over 3 years ago. He might be a decent #3 after this year, but he isn't a difference maker right now. Agreed, Archer is overrated. If I had to choose, I’d go with Greinke. However, if Bumgarner is significantly cheaper i.e. not costing Álvarez or Kid Tucker, sure why not? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 9:20:10 GMT -6
Because this is Jeff Luhnow: This is not Jeff Luhnow: Sure and knowing what you know about Lunhow do you really think he will go get an over priced 1 year guy thinking ahead alittle about next years rotation? I think not. Bumgarner, to a team on his no-trade list, which the Astros do belong on, would be sign and trade deal. If Luhnow does make a trade for him and signs him to an extension, you should know damn well that he and his scouts have watched game tape and see what needs to be done, to rejuvenate Madison. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 9:27:09 GMT -6
No, you just don't think at all. A pure rental is a possibility. It all depends on the quality, and the size of the return. Contrary to your assessment, Bumgarner is a quality pitcher at a budget salary for the remainder of this season. Whether or not Luhnow pulls the trigger depends on what he would have to give up to get him. The likelihood of Luhnow landing Bumgarner seems far and away greater than him pulling the trigger on a Greinke deal. To begin with, the Diamondbacks aren't even sellers at this point in time. No, some rumor you heard regarding the "what if" doesn't count. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 18, 2019 9:29:35 GMT -6
Bumgarner or Greinke are proven successful pitchers, with Greinke being a likely HoFer. Chris Archer has always been overrated. People around here were down on Keuchel last season, but Archer has only had two seasons as good or better than what Keuchel did last year and both of those seasons were over 3 years ago. He might be a decent #3 after this year, but he isn't a difference maker right now. Agreed. Archer is over-rated.........Greinke has too much money on his contract........Bumgarner would have to agree to an extension before we should trade for him and then only if Strom thinks it's a good move. Stroman and Boyd would both be under club control for awhile but would cost a lot. Bottom line is we need to deal for a quality starter and a reliever. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 18, 2019 9:32:23 GMT -6
Sure and knowing what you know about Lunhow do you really think he will go get an over priced 1 year guy thinking ahead alittle about next years rotation? I think not. Bumgarner, to a team on his no-trade list, which the Astros do belong on, would be sign and trade deal. If Luhnow does make a trade for him and signs him to an extension, you should know damn well that he and his scouts have watched game tape and see what needs to be done, to rejuvenate Madison. Can you imagine being a boy named Madison, AND having "Bum" in your name? No wonder he's so angry all the time. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 9:36:17 GMT -6
Bumgarner, to a team on his no-trade list, which the Astros do belong on, would be sign and trade deal. If Luhnow does make a trade for him and signs him to an extension, you should know damn well that he and his scouts have watched game tape and see what needs to be done, to rejuvenate Madison. Could be an extension as part of the deal or just a "bonus" to waive the no-trade. Hard to say. But Bumgarner isn't horribly broken. He his success this year falls a bit short of what he's done in the past but he's still putting up decent numbers. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 9:40:07 GMT -6
Can you imagine being a boy named Madison, AND having "Bum" in your name? No wonder he's so angry all the time. And he said, "Son, this world is rough
And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
And I know I wouldn't be there to help ya along
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you'd have to get tough or die
And it's the name that helped to make you strong" |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 10:32:37 GMT -6
Js not interested in Giving MadBum an extension. Or taking in Grienke unless i can dump alot of bad contracts on them.
And they can eat a very good portion of his contract. Like 55%.
But since they wont id aim for younger more control.
You gotta give to get.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 11:31:56 GMT -6
Js not interested in Giving MadBum an extension. Or taking in Grienke unless i can dump alot of bad contracts on them. And they can eat a very good portion of his contract. Like 55%. But since they wont id aim for younger more control. You gotta give to get. If it's just mechanics with Bumgarner and Strom can fix it, I'm easily wanting the Astros to give him a three-year deal.... I mean if the Astros can sign him to 7O-85 cents on the dollar and and he can produce to 90% of what he used to, I'm definitely all for it |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 11:45:10 GMT -6
Js not interested in Giving MadBum an extension. Or taking in Grienke unless i can dump alot of bad contracts on them. And they can eat a very good portion of his contract. Like 55%. But since they wont id aim for younger more control. You gotta give to get. If it's just mechanics with Bumgarner and Strom can fix it, I'm easily wanting the Astros to give him a three-year deal.... I mean if the Astros can sign him to 7O-85 cents on the dollar and and he can produce to 90% of what he used to, I'm definitely all for it But what if its way more? And he gets that deal? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 11:49:58 GMT -6
If it's just mechanics with Bumgarner and Strom can fix it, I'm easily wanting the Astros to give him a three-year deal.... I mean if the Astros can sign him to 7O-85 cents on the dollar and and he can produce to 90% of what he used to, I'm definitely all for it But what if its way more? And he gets that deal? But, but |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 11:53:20 GMT -6
But what if its way more? And he gets that deal? But, but Your willing to risk it? Im not |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 11:57:43 GMT -6
Your willing to risk it? Im not If it is just mechanical and easy tweak, hell yes. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 12:03:30 GMT -6
But what if its way more? And he gets that deal? But, but Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 12:15:59 GMT -6
Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
Just in time. Be more positive instead of attacking your acting like adolescent child. More productive. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 12:19:31 GMT -6
Your willing to risk it? Im not If it is just mechanical and easy tweak, hell yes. It doesnt seem just Mechanical. Its mental. I promise you this. Pay attention to these facts. Watching him pitch he runs his mouth on the mound and Via twitter or any other outlet that will listen to him. All of his Freak accedents happen when he is showing off. Read the comments of the people who where there. I actually went in deep to try and see if it was 1 thing that can be fixxed. Its not. Its his head. Its his im better then you mentality. In reality these guys he is pitching against are as good if not better then him. But he sees it as he is god and they get lucky sometimes. Its Mental. Not Mechanical. Read into it |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2019 12:28:59 GMT -6
If it is just mechanical and easy tweak, hell yes. It doesnt seem just Mechanical. Its mental. I promise you this. Pay attention to these facts. Watching him pitch he runs his mouth on the mound and Via twitter or any other outlet that will listen to him. All of his Freak accedents happen when he is showing off. Read the comments of the people who where there. I actually went in deep to try and see if it was 1 thing that can be fixxed. Its not. Its his head. Its his im better then you mentality. In reality these guys he is pitching against are as good if not better then him. But he sees it as he is god and they get lucky sometimes. Its Mental. Not Mechanical. Read into it Somehow I can look past your insight, but thanks for sharing |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 18, 2019 12:46:46 GMT -6
Exactly. VooDoo likes to shit on trade thoughts that aren't his by throwing in what ifs, yet he ignores any of those in his own magic deals.
Just in time. Be more positive instead of attacking your acting like adolescent child. More productive. "Be more positive", says the guy who dumps on anything anyone else adds to the conversation unless it's in lockstep with what he says? Yeah, right.
Productive? Wake up and smell what you're shoveling. 💩
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 18, 2019 12:55:24 GMT -6
Just in time. Be more positive instead of attacking your acting like adolescent child. More productive. "Be more positive", says the guy who dumps on anything anyone else adds to the conversation unless it's in lockstep with what he says? Yeah, right.
Productive? Wake up and smell what you're shoveling. 💩
Its not dumping if your seeing the point. Point A. Some of you wanna resign Springer to this 25m a year contract. Try and keep Cole and maybe keep Correa. But you add in Greinke ugh or MadBum who wants a extension if he waves to go to another team. UGH. Then you see there is a big change in the guy. Some say Mechanics some say his environment. Some say Mental. Its not dumping. Im mot shaming you calling you names. Im saying i wouldn't do it. I would stear clear. Read into MadBum and his Injury past the off the field crap. Then look at his demeanor as he gets older on the mound. MENTAL |
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