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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 11:36:51 GMT -6
He hit a dying quail single and a routine flyout and he thinks he saved the world.
Oh, and he's hitting .188 with an OPS under .500 for the series.
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 8, 2019 12:03:53 GMT -6
Molina is one of those players who, if they hadn't learned baseball and made millions, would have ended up in prison for gang-related crimes. Aren't you Mr. Negative today? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 8, 2019 12:10:15 GMT -6
Just when I thought couldn't dislike Yadier Molina any more..... Did anyone see his antics? 1. After a sac fly he flings his bat like a Molotov Cocktail. 2. Then is seen flashing throat slashing gestures. This is a mf ing thug. I don’t support throwing at hitters, but this is the end result of letting players do whatever they want. You have not just celebrations but incessant celebrations. Players one-up each other by trying to be more showy and disrespectful. The main issue I have is that gutless COB Manfred won’t do a thing about it because of the popular “u mad bro” culture in sports. I mean it’s one thing if you hit a pivotal homer or one very late in a game but early in games there’s no need. Gregorius hit a grand slam in like the third inning against the Twins the other day and stood at home plate for a few seconds before defiantly tossing his bat. On the flip side, if a pitcher throws the ball a tad inside, you almost have bench clearing brawls. A couple weeks ago, I saw a highlight of some white kid on the Orioles robbing a home run and start screaming and beating his chest like a gorilla in an obviously meaningless game (Orioles, come on). Enough already. This “making my brand” culture is getting out of hand. Pretty much that. There was a time when players understood the difference between proper celebration and showboating and showing up the players on the opposing team. It was all about how, when, and where.
Admiring a homer at the plate: Showboating. Bat flip: Showboating. Staring down the pitcher as you round the bases: Showboating.
A brisk trot around the bases and not making eye-contact with the opposing players: Proper. A quick high-five (none of this elaborate choreography) with the next man up in the on-deck circle: Proper. Even the Bregman-style dance routines / conga-line sort of thing is acceptable as long as it's in the dugout, not on the field.
In the past, the showboaters would get a fastball to the ribs the next time they came up to the plate and everyone in the stadium (even the showboater's team mates) would accept that he had taken his medicine and they'd move on with the game. The 'unwritten rules' have mostly been abandoned these days and the game is worse because of that.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 8, 2019 12:18:50 GMT -6
Molina is one of those players who, if they hadn't learned baseball and made millions, would have ended up in prison for gang-related crimes. Aren't you Mr. Negative today? I exist in reality, Mr. Butterflies and Unicorns. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 8, 2019 12:22:12 GMT -6
I don’t support throwing at hitters, but this is the end result of letting players do whatever they want. You have not just celebrations but incessant celebrations. Players one-up each other by trying to be more showy and disrespectful. The main issue I have is that gutless COB Manfred won’t do a thing about it because of the popular “u mad bro” culture in sports. I mean it’s one thing if you hit a pivotal homer or one very late in a game but early in games there’s no need. Gregorius hit a grand slam in like the third inning against the Twins the other day and stood at home plate for a few seconds before defiantly tossing his bat. On the flip side, if a pitcher throws the ball a tad inside, you almost have bench clearing brawls. A couple weeks ago, I saw a highlight of some white kid on the Orioles robbing a home run and start screaming and beating his chest like a gorilla in an obviously meaningless game (Orioles, come on). Enough already. This “making my brand” culture is getting out of hand. Pretty much that. There was a time when players understood the difference between proper celebration and showboating and showing up the players on the opposing team. It was all about how, when, and where.
Admiring a homer at the plate: Showboating. Bat flip: Showboating. Staring down the pitcher as you round the bases: Showboating.
A brisk trot around the bases and not making eye-contact with the opposing players: Proper. A quick high-five (none of this elaborate choreography) with the next man up in the on-deck circle: Proper. Even the Bregman-style dance routines / conga-line sort of thing is acceptable as long as it's in the dugout, not on the field.
In the past, the showboaters would get a fastball to the ribs the next time they came up to the plate and everyone in the stadium (even the showboater's team mates) would accept that he had taken his medicine and they'd move on with the game. The 'unwritten rules' have mostly been abandoned these days and the game is worse because of that.
I mostly agree, but I also remember when the NFL started ruining football by making the ICKY Shuffle and spiking the ball in the end zone illegal. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 12:24:20 GMT -6
It needs to be a balance. Unfortunately, for every Altuve there is a Yadi.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 12:28:25 GMT -6
It needs to be a balance. Unfortunately, for every Altuve there is a Yadi. I agree but how do you get there? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 12:29:33 GMT -6
It needs to be a balance. Unfortunately, for every Altuve there is a Yadi. I agree but how do you get there? Public executions. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 12:31:51 GMT -6
I don’t support throwing at hitters, but this is the end result of letting players do whatever they want. You have not just celebrations but incessant celebrations. Players one-up each other by trying to be more showy and disrespectful. The main issue I have is that gutless COB Manfred won’t do a thing about it because of the popular “u mad bro” culture in sports. I mean it’s one thing if you hit a pivotal homer or one very late in a game but early in games there’s no need. Gregorius hit a grand slam in like the third inning against the Twins the other day and stood at home plate for a few seconds before defiantly tossing his bat. On the flip side, if a pitcher throws the ball a tad inside, you almost have bench clearing brawls. A couple weeks ago, I saw a highlight of some white kid on the Orioles robbing a home run and start screaming and beating his chest like a gorilla in an obviously meaningless game (Orioles, come on). Enough already. This “making my brand” culture is getting out of hand. Pretty much that. There was a time when players understood the difference between proper celebration and showboating and showing up the players on the opposing team. It was all about how, when, and where.
Admiring a homer at the plate: Showboating. Bat flip: Showboating. Staring down the pitcher as you round the bases: Showboating.
A brisk trot around the bases and not making eye-contact with the opposing players: Proper. A quick high-five (none of this elaborate choreography) with the next man up in the on-deck circle: Proper. Even the Bregman-style dance routines / conga-line sort of thing is acceptable as long as it's in the dugout, not on the field.
In the past, the showboaters would get a fastball to the ribs the next time they came up to the plate and everyone in the stadium (even the showboater's team mates) would accept that he had taken his medicine and they'd move on with the game. The 'unwritten rules' have mostly been abandoned these days and the game is worse because of that.
High fiving and celebrating in the dugout is fine. Celebrating significant or pivotal hits is fine as long as you don’t go overboard. Showboating is just way overdone nowadays. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 12:32:14 GMT -6
I agree but how do you get there? Public executions. I like your style. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 8, 2019 12:56:58 GMT -6
I mostly agree, but I also remember when the NFL started ruining football by making the ICKY Shuffle and spiking the ball in the end zone illegal. I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 13:01:34 GMT -6
I mostly agree, but I also remember when the NFL started ruining football by making the ICKY Shuffle and spiking the ball in the end zone illegal. I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Someone might as well hit a homer, pull down their pants, and drop a turd on home plate. You already had a couple Rangers grabbing each other’s package after a homer. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 13:16:02 GMT -6
I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Someone might as well hit a homer, pull down their pants, and drop a turd on home plate. You already had a couple Rangers grabbing each other’s package after a homer. After we win our 4th WS in a row, I want Bregman to do just that. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 8, 2019 13:21:31 GMT -6
I mostly agree, but I also remember when the NFL started ruining football by making the ICKY Shuffle and spiking the ball in the end zone illegal. I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Baseball has a long history of cheaters, drug abusers, wife abusers, pedophiles, etc. Elegant and honorable my arse. |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 8, 2019 13:31:55 GMT -6
I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Someone might as well hit a homer, pull down their pants, and drop a turd on home plate. You already had a couple Rangers grabbing each other’s package after a homer. Patting a guy on the shoulder or back has always been okay. Patting their butt is slightly over the line. Grabbing someone's junk? ... can we invoke the don't ask, don't tell rule? |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 8, 2019 13:32:48 GMT -6
I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Baseball has a long history of cheaters, drug abusers, wife abusers, pedophiles, etc. Elegant and honorable my arse. The key phrase was ' meant to be'.  |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Oct 8, 2019 13:34:43 GMT -6
Aren't you Mr. Negative today? I exist in reality, Mr. Butterflies and Unicorns. The only reality in which a talking frog exists is a mushroom-altered reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 13:35:20 GMT -6
I'd rather not compare the two sports. Football is more like a war. Baseball was meant to be a more elegant and honorable game. Baseball has a long history of cheaters, drug abusers, wife abusers, pedophiles, etc. Elegant and honorable my arse. This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 8, 2019 13:48:10 GMT -6
I exist in reality, Mr. Butterflies and Unicorns. The only reality in which a talking frog exists is a mushroom-altered reality. You betta recognize. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 8, 2019 13:48:12 GMT -6
Baseball has a long history of cheaters, drug abusers, wife abusers, pedophiles, etc. Elegant and honorable my arse. This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. I don't know if they encouraged it, but they certainly didn't care about stopping it until some of the prized records fell. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 8, 2019 13:49:19 GMT -6
Baseball has a long history of cheaters, drug abusers, wife abusers, pedophiles, etc. Elegant and honorable my arse. This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. No doubt that they winked and nodded while it was going on, and then got caught when some players started dying as a result of the drugs (see: Ken Caminiti) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 13:52:05 GMT -6
This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. I don't know if they encouraged it, but they certainly didn't care about stopping it until some of the prized records fell. Once the lie became too big they had to step in. So many "cheaters" in that era were allowed and yet took the fall when it all went down.
I still see McGwire hitting 70 HRs as a feat even though it's shunned now. Hell, baseball can't even have a discussion during the game regarding Bonds, Sosa or McGwire without walking on eggshells.
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 14:21:14 GMT -6
This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. No doubt that they winked and nodded while it was going on, and then got caught when some players started dying as a result of the drugs (see: Ken Caminiti) Caminiti was a boss when he said he was sure half the players in baseball were doing it. They all dismissed him until Canseco went nuts and started outing people. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 14:22:19 GMT -6
I don't know if they encouraged it, but they certainly didn't care about stopping it until some of the prized records fell. Once the lie became too big they had to step in. So many "cheaters" in that era were allowed and yet took the fall when it all went down.
I still see McGwire hitting 70 HRs as a feat even though it's shunned now. Hell, baseball can't even have a discussion during the game regarding Bonds, Sosa or McGwire without walking on eggshells.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 8, 2019 15:37:04 GMT -6
This homerun barrage year makes me think (Even for a tiny amount) that MLB was behind the steroid era to begin with (or at least encouraged it to a degree) to get the fans in the stands. No doubt that they winked and nodded while it was going on, and then got caught when some players started dying as a result of the drugs (see: Ken Caminiti) I don't know if it's fair to say the owners winked and nodded, even though the commissioner's office appeared to Steroid testing was a very contentious issue in the collective bargaining agreement that tried to end the strike and lockout from 1994-95 The owners gave in to the union to get the turnstiles clicking, but they wanted testing as far back as it was starting to become an issue
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 16:11:28 GMT -6
No doubt that they winked and nodded while it was going on, and then got caught when some players started dying as a result of the drugs (see: Ken Caminiti) I don't know if it's fair to say the owners winked and nodded, even though the commissioner's office appeared to Steroid testing was a very contentious issue in the collective bargaining agreement that tried to end the strike and lockout from 1994-95 The owners gave in to the union to get the turnstiles clicking, but they wanted testing as far back as it was starting to become an issue
I think the trouble came as they tried to take care of it in-house. As the money was coming in from networks and viewership they realized how hard it was going to be to clean up the game without backtracking. MLB chose to wait it out hoping it would handle itself but the records falling and the publicity afterwards made it inevitable that an outside source would come in. That's what left the players high and dry because no way MLB could state it was on them and for how long.
MLB basically compromised at that point stating, "We'll shun those who are known users and we can all move on" Somehow that strategy worked for the organization, and I think it did because no way the government wanted to go against baseball as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 16:14:47 GMT -6
Also, I by no means am stating Bagwell was a user, but if he was he was fortunate that his shoulder injury stopped him from hitting milestones. He stayed under the radar while guys like Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens and such were getting sacked.
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 8, 2019 16:26:08 GMT -6
Also, I by no means am stating Bagwell was a user, but if he was he was fortunate that his shoulder injury stopped him from hitting milestones. He stayed under the radar while guys like Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens and such were getting sacked. The difference between Bagwell and those guys is Baggy was honest when asked about PED use, while Palmeiro et al weren't
Honesty and dishonesty may very well be where the HOF voters decided to draw the line as far as who's been inducted and who hasn't, and who will or won't be going forward
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Post by talshill on Oct 8, 2019 16:54:53 GMT -6
Also, I by no means am stating Bagwell was a user, but if he was he was fortunate that his shoulder injury stopped him from hitting milestones. He stayed under the radar while guys like Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens and such were getting sacked. My guess is that he probably was, along with 85% of the players. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 8, 2019 17:02:12 GMT -6
Also, I by no means am stating Bagwell was a user, but if he was he was fortunate that his shoulder injury stopped him from hitting milestones. He stayed under the radar while guys like Palmeiro, Sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Clemens and such were getting sacked. The difference between Bagwell and those guys is Baggy was honest when asked about PED use, while Palmeiro et al weren't
Honesty and dishonesty may very well be where the HOF voters decided to draw the line as far as who's been inducted and who hasn't, and who will or won't be going forward
Asking someone if they did something is not a great barometer of culpability. |
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