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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 9:49:36 GMT -6
It sounds like MLB was already looking into some of this stuff and hadn't found much before. A lot of paranoia, sour grapes, and bad blood is turning what should be a fairly minor thing into this big deal. I hope they release their findings and administer whatever punishment soon so we can move on.
I do believe something the team did crossed the line, but some of the biased news is getting out of hand. Not much we can do about it though.
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 19, 2019 9:52:41 GMT -6
I hope they release their findings and administer whatever punishment soon so we can move on. Sobering thought, but the Cardinals hacking investigation went on for a while before they rendered a verdict if memory serves
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 10:43:22 GMT -6
I hope they release their findings and administer whatever punishment soon so we can move on. Sobering thought, but the Cardinals hacking investigation went on for a while before they rendered a verdict if memory serves
Yeah that's my concern. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 19, 2019 11:09:24 GMT -6
If they asterik or void our championship season, I am through with this game. Ditto. What in the hell is Ditto? |
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Post by batman007 on Nov 19, 2019 11:16:13 GMT -6
What in the hell is Ditto? It’s a Pokemon |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 19, 2019 11:28:25 GMT -6
The Kevin Goldstein email was a not particularly fortunate development. From the Goldstein email: "One thing in specific we are looking for is picking up signs coming out of the dugout. What we are looking for is how much we can see, how we would log things, if we need cameras/binoculars, etc. So go to game, see what you can [or can't] do and report back your findings." Hmmm.... what “we” are looking for.... Would these guys \/ be the “we” who are looking for how much “we” can see? “Baseball Operations President of Baseball Operations and General Manager | Jeff Luhnow Special Assistant to the General Manager | Craig Biggio Special Assistant to the General Manager | Enos Cabell Special Assistant to the General Manager | Roger Clemens Special Assistant to the General Manager, Player Personnel | Kevin Goldstein” I guess Clemens could always say they were gathering this information for his wife. Cabell had enough problems as a batter with pitch sequences to think he'd be an asset at sign deciphering
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 11:49:26 GMT -6
What in the hell is Ditto? My n-word, it means likewise. Now, you opened a response to Boogeyman Jeff. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 19, 2019 12:04:19 GMT -6
What in the hell is Ditto? My n-word, it means likewise. Now, you opened a response to Boogeyman Jeff. Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 19, 2019 12:04:54 GMT -6
What in the hell is Ditto? My n-word, it means likewise. Now, you opened a response to Boogeyman Jeff. Candyman Candyman Candyman |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 13:39:37 GMT -6
Hear me out on this one.....
Think about it. From the point of a catcher's sign, to a 100 mph pitch hitting the catcher's mitt, is likely in the neighborhood of 3-4 seconds.
Then work the process.....
From catching a sign in the OF, relaying that to a dugout member, the team mate mentally registering it, then banging on a object, to the batter hearing it, understanding it, and responding quick enough to a hit a 90-100 mph pitch? Seems the process of using this information would be tougher than the batter just straight up playing it and watching the pitch.
I am thinking that maybe the Astros created this cheating legend as ruse. Nothing better to get into an oppoents head, and for distractions.
OTOH.... The art and science of understanding pitch tipping is legal as hell. I think our inferior opponents realize we have the guns to make their lives miserable for at least 5 more years, and are grabbing (with MSM complicity) straws to level the playing field.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 13:46:09 GMT -6
I am thinking that maybe the Astros created this cheating legend as ruse. Nothing better to get into an oppoents head, and for distractions. I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 19, 2019 13:47:27 GMT -6
I am thinking that maybe the Astros created this cheating legend as ruse. Nothing better to get into an oppoents head, and for distractions. I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. Sounded serious to me. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 13:49:54 GMT -6
I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. Sounded serious to me. I refuse to believe that he believes that. He's just gotten his feelings hurt and is lashing out. No way he meant that as an actual statement to be taken seriously by adults. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 13:50:26 GMT -6
I am thinking that maybe the Astros created this cheating legend as ruse. Nothing better to get into an oppoents head, and for distractions. I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. So the process I discussed before with its complexity does not give it merit? No way that much infomration, in conjunction with humanly reactions could pull this off with any sustainable success. Do you understand how hard it is to hit a 100 mph in the first place, without thinking peripherially about sign abberations. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 13:52:11 GMT -6
I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. So the process I discussed before with its complexity does not give it merit? No way that much infomration, in conjunction with humanly reactions could pull this off with any sustainable success. You're suggesting that a professional sports team decided to pretend to CHEAT on a massive, historic scale in order to get into the heads of their opponents? Sober up. |
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Post by Saint on Nov 19, 2019 13:52:24 GMT -6
What they were accurately able to do doesn't matter. What they tried to do, does.
If they TRIED to steal signs using cameras and such, it won't matter how effective they were. They still broke the rules and will be punished for it if there is enough evidence of it.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Nov 19, 2019 13:53:51 GMT -6
President Trump started the rumors about him breaking the law and created the constitutional crisis and impeachment process in this country...so he could get inside the heads of the Democrats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 14:03:33 GMT -6
So the process I discussed before with its complexity does not give it merit? No way that much infomration, in conjunction with humanly reactions could pull this off with any sustainable success. You're suggesting that a professional sports team decided to pretend to CHEAT on a massive, historic scale in order to get into the heads of their opponents? Sober up. What massive historic scale? Shit accusations from the inter webs? I can't help you believe click bait shit journalism? I am a strong proponent of risk/reward aspects of any sucessful organization. Considering the implications and likelyhood of getting caught, I have serious doubts that Lunow would be that stupid to put that much at risk. If the rest of you want to beieve everything you read on the www, then that's your business.. My skeptism is an acquired skill. Try it sometimes. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 14:52:19 GMT -6
President Trump started the rumors about him breaking the law and created the constitutional crisis and impeachment process in this country...so he could get inside the heads of the Democrats. ***** I actually LOL’ed. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 14:55:49 GMT -6
I truly hope you're not being serious with that statement. So the process I discussed before with its complexity does not give it merit? No way that much infomration, in conjunction with humanly reactions could pull this off with any sustainable success. Do you understand how hard it is to hit a 100 mph in the first place, without thinking peripherially about sign abberations. Do you know how hard it is to validate Astros fan conspiracy theories when Luhnow’s own assistant sent an email requesting scouts to commit acts claimed by their detractors? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 15:07:01 GMT -6
Guys, it’s time to come to terms with Santa Claus not being real and the fact that the Astros aren’t run by angels.
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Post by olpapa on Nov 19, 2019 15:28:03 GMT -6
President Trump started the rumors about him breaking the law and created the constitutional crisis and impeachment process in this country...so he could get inside the heads of the Democrats. There are two ways to look at being inside the heads of the Democratics: 1) It would be really scary to be surrounded by all of the BS floating around in there. 2) It would be the ultimate sensory deprivation being confined to a vacuum. |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 19, 2019 15:32:51 GMT -6
Guys, it’s time to come to terms with Santa Claus not being real and the fact that the Astros aren’t run by angels. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 15:38:57 GMT -6
Guys, it’s time to come to terms with Santa Claus not being real and the fact that the Astros aren’t run by angels. Interesting theory. What made you think that? |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 19, 2019 15:42:13 GMT -6
It's time to face the fact the Cardinals probably hacked the Astros database cause Luhnow showed them how to do that to other clubs Interesting theory. What made you think that? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Nov 19, 2019 15:49:47 GMT -6
Guys, it’s time to come to terms with Santa Claus not being real and the fact that the Astros aren’t run by angels. Well that ends you getting Christmas presents from Lydia....she only gives them if you still believe.... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 16:09:04 GMT -6
Guys, it’s time to come to terms with Santa Claus not being real and the fact that the Astros aren’t run by angels. Well that ends you getting Christmas presents from Lydia....she only gives them if you still believe.... All I want for Christmas is for my team to keep their championship. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Nov 19, 2019 16:09:37 GMT -6
I refuse to believe that he believes that. He's just gotten his feelings hurt and is lashing out. No way he meant that as an actual statement to be taken seriously by adults. I told you it sounded serious... |
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Post by unionstation82 on Nov 19, 2019 16:15:06 GMT -6
I refuse to believe that he believes that. He's just gotten his feelings hurt and is lashing out. No way he meant that as an actual statement to be taken seriously by adults. I told you it sounded serious... World Serious? |
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Post by bearbryant on Nov 19, 2019 16:15:44 GMT -6
Well that ends you getting Christmas presents from Lydia....she only gives them if you still believe.... All I want for Christmas is for my team to keep their championship. |
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