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Post by Saint on Jun 14, 2024 12:14:47 GMT -6
He gone! Abreu was released.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 14, 2024 12:18:27 GMT -6
He gone! Abreu was released. Please fire me and still pay me around $30M |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jun 14, 2024 12:25:17 GMT -6
BYE ABREU!
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Post by Saint on Jun 14, 2024 12:26:56 GMT -6
He gone! Abreu was released. Please fire me and still pay me around $30M At least they're admitting their mistake and move forward. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 14, 2024 12:37:20 GMT -6
Luhnow made a couple dumb trades. I honestly can't think of a bad trade Click made Click was here for a fraction of the time Luhnow was, and inherited Luhnow's juggernaut. All he had to do was make a few swaps to keep the bullpen in good shape. Their situations are not at all comparable IMO. A GM can still screw up a bullpen trade, like Luhnow did with Giles. Just cause one has the resources to throw at deals doesn't mean the value he gets in return should be discounted. Greinke is another deal that deserves review, since we're still cutting him a paycheck every year
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Post by kyledriver1980 on Jun 14, 2024 18:15:55 GMT -6
He gone! Abreu was released. Wow! |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 14, 2024 22:33:52 GMT -6
Click was here for a fraction of the time Luhnow was, and inherited Luhnow's juggernaut. All he had to do was make a few swaps to keep the bullpen in good shape. Their situations are not at all comparable IMO. A GM can still screw up a bullpen trade, like Luhnow did with Giles. Just cause one has the resources to throw at deals doesn't mean the value he gets in return should be discounted. Greinke is another deal that deserves review, since we're still cutting him a paycheck every year
My point is that Click barely had any time to prove things one way or the other. Small sample size. If he was only here two years and made a few bad moves, that wouldn't prove that he was the worst. GM. EVAR. any more than the fact that he made mostly good deals in the short time he was hear proves that he's exceptional, especially that he's better than Luhnow. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 14, 2024 22:39:15 GMT -6
The drama with Luhnow stemmed from the legacy media hating him and the Astros for being too cold and calculating, treating players as assets, the total teardown and clear tanking, etc. Luhnow was hounded by the Buster Olneys of the industry. They hated him, and they hated even more that it worked in the end and made them look foolish. It was a continuation of the hate Billy Beane originally got in Oakland from the old schoolers. When suddenly they had the Taubman thing and then the sign stealing scandal, they were all too giddy to finally have another thing they could sort-kinda put at his feet. There was no drama under Click because he wasn't Luhnow, and because he hadn't been here long enough to put his stamp on things anyway. That said, Click did well and I wish he were still the GM. But the drama under Luhnow was not his fault and he is clearly the best GM we've ever had, and is on the very short list for best baseball GM in history. I think he was a great GM, but part of his job is managing his personnel. His style and personnel caused problems and rifts at times that were unnecessary. He was too cold and calculating. We have Luhnow and his "cold and calculating" ways to thank, and almost exclusively at that, for a dynasty none of us will probably live to see ever again. The "managing his personnel" thing continues to baffle me. He did not know what players were secretly doing in a part of the building that GMs rarely visit. No one ever says specifically what he should have done differently (than virtually every other GM in history in this regard). It's always just seems like vague the-buck-stops-hereisms. Hinch even lied directly to Crane and told him there was no cheating going on once MLB issued it's league-wide warning late that season. I mean, should Luhnow have disbelieved Hinch's claims and hired spies and disguised them as clubhouse attendants or ballboys or something just to make sure? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 14, 2024 23:11:16 GMT -6
I think he was a great GM, but part of his job is managing his personnel. His style and personnel caused problems and rifts at times that were unnecessary. He was too cold and calculating. We have Luhnow and his "cold and calculating" ways to thank, and almost exclusively at that, for a dynasty none of us will probably live to see ever again. The "managing his personnel" thing continues to baffle me. He did not know what players were secretly doing in a part of the building that GMs rarely visit. No one ever says specifically what he should have done differently (than virtually every other GM in history in this regard). It's always just seems like vague the-buck-stops-hereisms. Hinch even lied directly to Crane and told him there was no cheating going on once MLB issued it's league-wide warning late that season. I mean, should Luhnow have disbelieved Hinch's claims and hired spies and disguised them as clubhouse attendants or ballboys or something just to make sure? PREACH |
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Post by talshill on Jun 15, 2024 10:17:35 GMT -6
I was hopeful that Abreu would be the fix for a declining Yuli at 1b. Turns out we’d have probably been better off keeping Yuli for another year. In order for this team to compete we had to have relatively good luck with injuries because there isn’t much help on the farm. And we’ve had bad luck. Their streak of ALCS appearances will likely come to an end this year. If they play their cards right they can be back in the thick of things again next year. I’m sorta surprised they cut Abreu loose, which tells me that Crane values winning over money. As long as that’s the case and he doesn’t try to be GM-in-disguise we should make another run at some point.
Anyway, haven’t watched much baseball this year. Which is probably for the best.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 15, 2024 11:02:25 GMT -6
I was hopeful that Abreu would be the fix for a declining Yuli at 1b. Turns out we’d have probably been better off keeping Yuli for another year. In order for this team to compete we had to have relatively good luck with injuries because there isn’t much help on the farm. And we’ve had bad luck. Their streak of ALCS appearances will likely come to an end this year. If they play their cards right they can be back in the thick of things again next year. I’m sorta surprised they cut Abreu loose, which tells me that Crane values winning over money. As long as that’s the case and he doesn’t try to be GM-in-disguise we should make another run at some point. Anyway, haven’t watched much baseball this year. Which is probably for the best. I hope he gives them a few more weeks to see if Abreu being gone breathes some life into them. If not, the smart move is to sell off some pieces that are likely gone soon anyway with an eye both to bringing in some young and controllable talent, and lowering payroll to make room for off-season additions. My worry is that his "the window will never close with me!" comments have made him feel like he can't ever punt on a season in favor of setting up the next few. |
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Post by This is dumb on Jun 15, 2024 12:23:54 GMT -6
I was thinking we could have Myles Straw come back for cash considerations as he has been down in AAA all season though and isn’t even playing CF. He is DH ing and his average is only .245. I’m thinking we need to upgrade at CF if we are going to contend for a championship this year. Straw probably isn’t the answer.
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Post by This is dumb on Jun 15, 2024 12:45:18 GMT -6
Also, I know they call Reggie Jackson Mr October but Lance Berkman stacked up well against him and would have beaten him if he played as many games.
Reggie hit .278 with 78 hits, 18 home runs, 48 RBIs and 41 runs scored in 77 games in the postseason in his career.
Lance had a batting average of .317 with 59 hits, 9 home runs, 41 RBIs and 38 runs scored in 52 games in the postseason in his career.
Just for kicks here is Carlos Correa’s
has a batting average of .282 with 91 hits, 18 home runs, 63 RBIs and 38 runs scored in 85 games in the postseason in his career.
Springer is hitting .268 with 74 hits, 19 homers, 38 RBIs and 43 runs scored in 67 games in the postseason in his career.
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Post by Saint on Jun 15, 2024 13:20:22 GMT -6
I think he was a great GM, but part of his job is managing his personnel. His style and personnel caused problems and rifts at times that were unnecessary. He was too cold and calculating. We have Luhnow and his "cold and calculating" ways to thank, and almost exclusively at that, for a dynasty none of us will probably live to see ever again. The "managing his personnel" thing continues to baffle me. He did not know what players were secretly doing in a part of the building that GMs rarely visit. No one ever says specifically what he should have done differently (than virtually every other GM in history in this regard). It's always just seems like vague the-buck-stops-hereisms. Hinch even lied directly to Crane and told him there was no cheating going on once MLB issued it's league-wide warning late that season. I mean, should Luhnow have disbelieved Hinch's claims and hired spies and disguised them as clubhouse attendants or ballboys or something just to make sure? Sounds like excuses for Luhnow. The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team. He built a great thing, but, with everything that happened, it was time for a new GM. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 15, 2024 18:29:51 GMT -6
We have Luhnow and his "cold and calculating" ways to thank, and almost exclusively at that, for a dynasty none of us will probably live to see ever again. The "managing his personnel" thing continues to baffle me. He did not know what players were secretly doing in a part of the building that GMs rarely visit. No one ever says specifically what he should have done differently (than virtually every other GM in history in this regard). It's always just seems like vague the-buck-stops-hereisms. Hinch even lied directly to Crane and told him there was no cheating going on once MLB issued it's league-wide warning late that season. I mean, should Luhnow have disbelieved Hinch's claims and hired spies and disguised them as clubhouse attendants or ballboys or something just to make sure? Sounds like excuses for Luhnow. The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team. He built a great thing, but, with everything that happened, it was time for a new GM. "vague the-buck-stops-hereisms." |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 15, 2024 20:59:47 GMT -6
We have Luhnow and his "cold and calculating" ways to thank, and almost exclusively at that, for a dynasty none of us will probably live to see ever again. The "managing his personnel" thing continues to baffle me. He did not know what players were secretly doing in a part of the building that GMs rarely visit. No one ever says specifically what he should have done differently (than virtually every other GM in history in this regard). It's always just seems like vague the-buck-stops-hereisms. Hinch even lied directly to Crane and told him there was no cheating going on once MLB issued its league-wide warning late that season. I mean, should Luhnow have disbelieved Hinch's claims and hired spies and disguised them as clubhouse attendants or ballboys or something just to make sure? Sounds like excuses for Luhnow. The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team. He built a great thing, but, with everything that happened, it was time for a new GM. Says the guy who defends Crane off the edge of a cliff. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 16, 2024 12:58:29 GMT -6
Sounds like excuses for Luhnow. The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team. He built a great thing, but, with everything that happened, it was time for a new GM. Says the guy who defends Crane off the edge of a cliff. No, I'm just not ready to push him off after one bad start. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 16, 2024 20:08:33 GMT -6
Says the guy who defends Crane off the edge of a cliff. No, I'm just not ready to push him off after one bad start. ”The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team.” |
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Post by Saint on Jun 17, 2024 9:23:34 GMT -6
No, I'm just not ready to push him off after one bad start. ”The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team.” So he should be gone due to this year? All he gets is 2-3 bad months and he should be out? Give me a break. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 17, 2024 9:47:25 GMT -6
”The leader is responsible for the outcome of the team.” So he should be gone due to this year? All he gets is 2-3 bad months and he should be out? Give me a break. Go ahead and determine his punishment. You made the statement. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 17, 2024 9:53:23 GMT -6
So he should be gone due to this year? All he gets is 2-3 bad months and he should be out? Give me a break. Go ahead and determine his punishment. You made the statement. He's the owner. A. Why would I ever punish an owner who has brought this franchise (and arguably the city) the most success we've ever seen when it comes to sports? B. There is a huge difference between ownership and management. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 17, 2024 10:57:57 GMT -6
Go ahead and determine his punishment. You made the statement. He's the owner. A. Why would I ever punish an owner who has brought this franchise (and arguably the city) the most success we've ever seen when it comes to sports? B. There is a huge difference between ownership and management. Even when he’s responsible for the clown show front office? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 17, 2024 11:35:34 GMT -6
Go ahead and determine his punishment. You made the statement. Why would I ever punish an owner who has brought this franchise (and arguably the city) the most success we've ever seen when it comes to sports? Luhnow brought it. Crane brought it by letting Luhnow do his job. But Luhnow needed to go (because he wasn't psychically aware of cheating or something), and Crane gets a free pass when he tries to Luhnow's job himself and bleeps it up in dramatic fashion? Either the buck stops here or it doesn't. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 17, 2024 12:55:36 GMT -6
Why would I ever punish an owner who has brought this franchise (and arguably the city) the most success we've ever seen when it comes to sports? Luhnow brought it. Crane brought it by letting Luhnow do his job. But Luhnow needed to go (because he wasn't psychically aware of cheating or something), and Crane gets a free pass when he tries to Luhnow's job himself and bleeps it up in dramatic fashion? Either the buck stops here or it doesn't. And there it is. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 17, 2024 14:24:05 GMT -6
Why would I ever punish an owner who has brought this franchise (and arguably the city) the most success we've ever seen when it comes to sports? Luhnow brought it. Crane brought it by letting Luhnow do his job. But Luhnow needed to go (because he wasn't psychically aware of cheating or something), and Crane gets a free pass when he tries to Luhnow's job himself and bleeps it up in dramatic fashion? Either the buck stops here or it doesn't. Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 17, 2024 19:17:29 GMT -6
Luhnow brought it. Crane brought it by letting Luhnow do his job. But Luhnow needed to go (because he wasn't psychically aware of cheating or something), and Crane gets a free pass when he tries to Luhnow's job himself and bleeps it up in dramatic fashion? Either the buck stops here or it doesn't. Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. Yes, including this season. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 17, 2024 19:37:31 GMT -6
Luhnow brought it. Crane brought it by letting Luhnow do his job. But Luhnow needed to go (because he wasn't psychically aware of cheating or something), and Crane gets a free pass when he tries to Luhnow's job himself and bleeps it up in dramatic fashion? Either the buck stops here or it doesn't. Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. Luhnow can build a dynasty without Crane. Crane proved he can't even keep one going for a few years without Luhnow (or another smart GM). It seems incredibly obvious to me that Luhnow is the one to thank. Good owners are all the same; they hire smart people and let them do their jobs without meddling. As soon as the owner starts to think he can do what the GM does, disaster strikes. Clockwork. Crane was a good owner...until he wasn't. But it's not even about that. Crane is ultimately the one in charge, so he should have known about the cheating and done something, right? That's your standard. I cannot understand how you want to blame Luhnow for it and think he needed to go, but Crane gets a pass, when you're main argument seems to be that Luhnow was in charge and so he should have done ________ (and you haven't filled in that blank still), but Crane who is Luhnow's boss should NOT have been expected to do ________. Luhnow gets the blame for the problems and Crane gets the ultimate praise for the good stuff, despite Luhnow being the one who did the actual work. I mean if there was some problem with Luhnow, and Crane hired him, why does Crane not get the blame for that hire then? Luhnow messes up (according to you), his fault. Luhnow succeeds, all thanks be to Crane. Crane messes up, hey, you can't hate on him, after all he hired the guy that I think needed to be fired and didn't get in his way while that guy succeeded. I can't connect the dots here. |
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Post by mihdennabios on Jun 17, 2024 19:48:21 GMT -6
What's with all this nonsense.
Luhnow aint at fault for players cheating and Bauer shouldn't be punished for sticking his wee-wee in crazy/honeypot traps.
Bring Luhnow back and sign Bauer. It's like winning doesn't matter to some fans...just "muh feelings" even when "muh feelings" are completely illogical
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Post by mihdennabios on Jun 17, 2024 19:52:03 GMT -6
Just Dingers Davis available on waiver wire again.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 2:39:54 GMT -6
Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. Yes, including this season. This season was going to eventually happen |
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