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Post by Saint on Oct 7, 2024 10:49:24 GMT -6
Would these teams be most interested in Tucker? Phillies, Orioles, Cubs, Dodgers and Red Sox? Out of those teams I'd prefer him to go to Boston. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Oct 7, 2024 10:50:27 GMT -6
It is going to be interesting how this season ends between the NY teams, that is where the battle Soto will be going. Since all of a sudden how the Mets have become relevant, I could see their owner going into a money battle with the Yankees, even though the Polar Bear is a free agent.
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Post by Saint on Oct 7, 2024 11:05:47 GMT -6
It is going to be interesting how this season ends between the NY teams, that is where the battle Soto will be going. Since all of a sudden how the Mets have become relevant, I could see their owner going into a money battle with the Yankees, even though the Polar Bear is a free agent. The thing is, for the cost of Soto they could get both Tucker and Alonso |
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Post by paastrosfan on Oct 7, 2024 11:24:20 GMT -6
It is going to be interesting how this season ends between the NY teams, that is where the battle Soto will be going. Since all of a sudden how the Mets have become relevant, I could see their owner going into a money battle with the Yankees, even though the Polar Bear is a free agent. The thing is, for the cost of Soto they could get both Tucker and Alonso The articles you read about the owner Cohen money is no object to him. Just last season the money he blew off unloading JV and Max. The thing is it looks like Soto loves playing in Yankee Stadium, but how far will Steinbrenner Jr. bend. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 7, 2024 13:51:51 GMT -6
There is a 0.0% chance they trade Tucker. Crane wants to compete, and give the appearance of competing, every year. Trading a beloved star, even if smart, is just not happening.
I think there are enough options out there for 3B that they won't go crazy for Bregman. If he'll take $25 per year for six years, I think he stays. If he wants more, I think they let him leave like Springer and Correa and Cole etc.
I think they should let Bregman and JV go. That's about $40 million. Once the deadweight + Framber comes off the books at this time next year, you can easily sign Tucker to a big extension. Or, heck, Vlad jr. will be a free agent then, if Tucker wants something preposterous.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 7, 2024 17:13:57 GMT -6
There is a 0.0% chance they trade Tucker. Crane wants to compete, and give the appearance of competing, every year. Trading a beloved star, even if smart, is just not happening. I think there are enough options out there for 3B that they won't go crazy for Bregman. If he'll take $25 per year for six years, I think he stays. If he wants more, I think they let him leave like Springer and Correa and Cole etc. I think they should let Bregman and JV go. That's about $40 million. Once the deadweight + Framber comes off the books at this time next year, you can easily sign Tucker to a big extension. Or, heck, Vlad jr. will be a free agent then, if Tucker wants something preposterous. I think Bregman has more star power/fan base in Houston than Tucker. I think his contract demands will be more in line with what Crane would be apt to offer, 5 year/$150M Therefore, I think Bregman is more likely to be re-signed. Now, who is the better player: Tucker. But I think he gets a 8 year/300M deal or more. No way Crane pays that. You’re right, as we know, Crane will not trade Tucker. He will go for it 2025 and Tucker will be playing for another team the following season. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 7, 2024 19:18:38 GMT -6
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 7, 2024 19:19:57 GMT -6
There is a 0.0% chance they trade Tucker. Crane wants to compete, and give the appearance of competing, every year. Trading a beloved star, even if smart, is just not happening. I think there are enough options out there for 3B that they won't go crazy for Bregman. If he'll take $25 per year for six years, I think he stays. If he wants more, I think they let him leave like Springer and Correa and Cole etc. I think they should let Bregman and JV go. That's about $40 million. Once the deadweight + Framber comes off the books at this time next year, you can easily sign Tucker to a big extension. Or, heck, Vlad jr. will be a free agent then, if Tucker wants something preposterous. I think Bregman has more star power/fan base in Houston than Tucker. I think his contract demands will be more in line with what Crane would be apt to offer, 5 year/$150M Therefore, I think Bregman is more likely to be re-signed. Now, who is the better player: Tucker. But I think he gets a 8 year/300M deal or more. No way Crane pays that. You’re right, as we know, Crane will not trade Tucker. He will go for it 2025 and Tucker will be playing for another team the following season. Oh I agree. Tucker is the better player and the smart move would be to target him. Which is why I have no doubt he's gone and if they resign one at all it will be Bregman. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 7, 2024 19:50:53 GMT -6
I think Bregman has more star power/fan base in Houston than Tucker. I think his contract demands will be more in line with what Crane would be apt to offer, 5 year/$150M Therefore, I think Bregman is more likely to be re-signed. Now, who is the better player: Tucker. But I think he gets a 8 year/300M deal or more. No way Crane pays that. You’re right, as we know, Crane will not trade Tucker. He will go for it 2025 and Tucker will be playing for another team the following season. Oh I agree. Tucker is the better player and the smart move would be to target him. Which is why I have no doubt he's gone and if they resign one at all it will be Bregman. Are you trying to have Bortaz discontinue this site? You have to use the “-“. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2024 7:02:29 GMT -6
I think Bregman has more star power/fan base in Houston than Tucker. I think his contract demands will be more in line with what Crane would be apt to offer, 5 year/$150M Therefore, I think Bregman is more likely to be re-signed. Now, who is the better player: Tucker. But I think he gets a 8 year/300M deal or more. No way Crane pays that. You’re right, as we know, Crane will not trade Tucker. He will go for it 2025 and Tucker will be playing for another team the following season. Oh I agree. Tucker is the better player and the smart move would be to target him. Which is why I have no doubt he's gone and if they resign one at all it will be Bregman. If Crane would do the unthinkable and allow Brown to trade him, what do you think other teams should/could be offering? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 8, 2024 7:13:40 GMT -6
I think Bregman has more star power/fan base in Houston than Tucker. I think his contract demands will be more in line with what Crane would be apt to offer, 5 year/$150M Therefore, I think Bregman is more likely to be re-signed. Now, who is the better player: Tucker. But I think he gets a 8 year/300M deal or more. No way Crane pays that. You’re right, as we know, Crane will not trade Tucker. He will go for it 2025 and Tucker will be playing for another team the following season. Oh I agree. Tucker is the better player and the smart move would be to target him. Which is why I have no doubt he's gone and if they resign one at all it will be Bregman. Would you be all in the Phillies would offer? Painter, (their 2nd) Crawford (3rd) , Cabrera (13th) and DeMartini (17th) for Tucker and Pressly? |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 8, 2024 13:01:31 GMT -6
Oh I agree. Tucker is the better player and the smart move would be to target him. Which is why I have no doubt he's gone and if they resign one at all it will be Bregman. Would you be all in the Phillies would offer? Painter, (their 2nd) Crawford (3rd) , Cabrera (13th) and DeMartini (17th) for Tucker and Pressly? If they know they will not resign him, I would do that deal. Painter is an absolute monster if he gets past the health problems. I like Crawford but I might like Starlyn Caba even better and he should be ready by the time Pena's done, if not sooner. I just can't see Crane ever making a move that is that clearly future-focused. It would be a significant blow to 2025 and the PR of it with the casuals would be severe. Of course in reality when Tucker was healthy the team was trash, when he was out they came roaring back, and he didn't do anything in the two playoff games, so you could make the argument we might not even really lose anything in the end by dealing him. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2024 7:44:40 GMT -6
Would you be all in the Phillies would offer? Painter, (their 2nd) Crawford (3rd) , Cabrera (13th) and DeMartini (17th) for Tucker and Pressly? If they know they will not resign him, I would do that deal. Painter is an absolute monster if he gets past the health problems. I like Crawford but I might like Starlyn Caba even better and he should be ready by the time Pena's done, if not sooner. I just can't see Crane ever making a move that is that clearly future-focused. It would be a significant blow to 2025 and the PR of it with the casuals would be severe. Of course in reality when Tucker was healthy the team was trash, when he was out they came roaring back, and he didn't do anything in the two playoff games, so you could make the argument we might not even really lose anything in the end by dealing him. My hope: Re-sign Bregman to 5 year deal Trade Tucker and Valdez for a major haul, including some top end major league prospects. Bundle Pressly into either a Tucker or Valdez trade deal (Crow is about to be eaten) Sign Kikuchi to a 3 year deal/$45M deal See if Verlander will take a 1 year $10M deal with performance incentives. Sign Walker or Goldschmidt Sign two mid price relievers Get a veteran OF on 1 year deal with 2nd year team option Replace current hitting coaches |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 9, 2024 12:22:37 GMT -6
If they know they will not resign him, I would do that deal. Painter is an absolute monster if he gets past the health problems. I like Crawford but I might like Starlyn Caba even better and he should be ready by the time Pena's done, if not sooner. I just can't see Crane ever making a move that is that clearly future-focused. It would be a significant blow to 2025 and the PR of it with the casuals would be severe. Of course in reality when Tucker was healthy the team was trash, when he was out they came roaring back, and he didn't do anything in the two playoff games, so you could make the argument we might not even really lose anything in the end by dealing him. My hope: Re-sign Bregman to 5 year deal Trade Tucker and Valdez for a major haul, including some top end major league prospects. Bundle Pressly into either a Tucker or Valdez trade deal (Crow is about to be eaten) Sign Kikuchi to a 3 year deal/$45M deal See if Verlander will take a 1 year $10M deal with performance incentives. Sign Walker or Goldschmidt Sign two mid price relievers Get a veteran OF on 1 year deal with 2nd year team option Replace current hitting coaches If Bregman will take just five years, that would be okay I guess. But I doubt it. No way Kikuchi accepts just $15 million per year. He got $12 million a year for three years when leaving Seattle with a 4.93 career ERA. After the run he had post trade, he'll get $20 million a year. I wouldn't be shocked to see even higher honestly. I'm not sure I see the benefit of trading Pressly unless we get serious value for him. He was still a solid setup man. If we trade him and someone eats half his contract, we'll then just have to take that savings and...sign a solid setup man. But if they take his whole salary we won't get much for him. It's one year and he's not garbage, might as well ride it out IMO. Goldschmidt will be the cheaper option, so I feel like that's more realistic. Walker would be a nice get though. Winker feels like a perfect fit. Strong platoon corner OF who shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2024 13:19:06 GMT -6
My hope: Re-sign Bregman to 5 year deal Trade Tucker and Valdez for a major haul, including some top end major league prospects. Bundle Pressly into either a Tucker or Valdez trade deal (Crow is about to be eaten) Sign Kikuchi to a 3 year deal/$45M deal See if Verlander will take a 1 year $10M deal with performance incentives. Sign Walker or Goldschmidt Sign two mid price relievers Get a veteran OF on 1 year deal with 2nd year team option Replace current hitting coaches If Bregman will take just five years, that would be okay I guess. But I doubt it. No way Kikuchi accepts just $15 million per year. He got $12 million a year for three years when leaving Seattle with a 4.93 career ERA. After the run he had post trade, he'll get $20 million a year. I wouldn't be shocked to see even higher honestly. I'm not sure I see the benefit of trading Pressly unless we get serious value for him. He was still a solid setup man. If we trade him and someone eats half his contract, we'll then just have to take that savings and...sign a solid setup man. But if they take his whole salary we won't get much for him. It's one year and he's not garbage, might as well ride it out IMO. Goldschmidt will be the cheaper option, so I feel like that's more realistic. Walker would be a nice get though. Winker feels like a perfect fit. Strong platoon corner OF who shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Kikuchi is 3 years older now though. You might be right but I would be surprised if he was offered much more than $14-15 a year just because he had one good half a season. And if he is more expensive than that, we don't need him. I like the guy and think we should bring him back, but I'm not a fan of giving someone with his history more than $50 million based off of a couple good months. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 9, 2024 15:17:10 GMT -6
If Bregman will take just five years, that would be okay I guess. But I doubt it. No way Kikuchi accepts just $15 million per year. He got $12 million a year for three years when leaving Seattle with a 4.93 career ERA. After the run he had post trade, he'll get $20 million a year. I wouldn't be shocked to see even higher honestly. I'm not sure I see the benefit of trading Pressly unless we get serious value for him. He was still a solid setup man. If we trade him and someone eats half his contract, we'll then just have to take that savings and...sign a solid setup man. But if they take his whole salary we won't get much for him. It's one year and he's not garbage, might as well ride it out IMO. Goldschmidt will be the cheaper option, so I feel like that's more realistic. Walker would be a nice get though. Winker feels like a perfect fit. Strong platoon corner OF who shouldn't cost an arm and a leg. Kikuchi is 3 years older now though. You might be right but I would be surprised if he was offered much more than $14-15 a year just because he had one good half a season. And if he is more expensive than that, we don't need him. I like the guy and think we should bring him back, but I'm not a fan of giving someone with his history more than $50 million based off of a couple good months. Look at what we gave up to get him before he broke out. He was solid a solid #3 in 2023. He's a lefty with elite stuff and elite strikeout rates who finally broke out into elite performance after nothing more than mixing his pitches better. Anything less than $20 per year for three years would be utterly shocking IMO. This kind of sounds a lot like what people, Astros front office included, said about Morton after 2017. Really don't want to see another great starter go to some other team because we don't want to pay him as much as we're paying McCullers to sit on the bench and shoot HEB commercials. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 9, 2024 15:29:34 GMT -6
Kikuchi is 3 years older now though. You might be right but I would be surprised if he was offered much more than $14-15 a year just because he had one good half a season. And if he is more expensive than that, we don't need him. I like the guy and think we should bring him back, but I'm not a fan of giving someone with his history more than $50 million based off of a couple good months. Look at what we gave up to get him before he broke out. He was solid a solid #3 in 2023. He's a lefty with elite stuff and elite strikeout rates who finally broke out into elite performance after nothing more than mixing his pitches better. Anything less than $20 per year for three years would be utterly shocking IMO. This kind of sounds a lot like what people, Astros front office included, said about Morton after 2017. Really don't want to see another great starter go to some other team because we don't want to pay him as much as we're paying McCullers to sit on the bench and shoot HEB commercials. Watch McCullers comeback and dominate the last half of his last year of his contract, and the Astros extend him. If that happens, I’m not watching the Astros anymore |
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Post by Saint on Oct 9, 2024 18:22:56 GMT -6
Kikuchi is 3 years older now though. You might be right but I would be surprised if he was offered much more than $14-15 a year just because he had one good half a season. And if he is more expensive than that, we don't need him. I like the guy and think we should bring him back, but I'm not a fan of giving someone with his history more than $50 million based off of a couple good months. Look at what we gave up to get him before he broke out. He was solid a solid #3 in 2023. He's a lefty with elite stuff and elite strikeout rates who finally broke out into elite performance after nothing more than mixing his pitches better. Anything less than $20 per year for three years would be utterly shocking IMO. This kind of sounds a lot like what people, Astros front office included, said about Morton after 2017. Really don't want to see another great starter go to some other team because we don't want to pay him as much as we're paying McCullers to sit on the bench and shoot HEB commercials. Morton only got a 2-year $30 million deal when he left us after a longer run or revitalized success though. Using him as an example shows Kikuchi deserves even less as a free agent. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 10, 2024 14:19:41 GMT -6
QO this year is set for $21.05 million.
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 10, 2024 14:27:04 GMT -6
Look at what we gave up to get him before he broke out. He was solid a solid #3 in 2023. He's a lefty with elite stuff and elite strikeout rates who finally broke out into elite performance after nothing more than mixing his pitches better. Anything less than $20 per year for three years would be utterly shocking IMO. This kind of sounds a lot like what people, Astros front office included, said about Morton after 2017. Really don't want to see another great starter go to some other team because we don't want to pay him as much as we're paying McCullers to sit on the bench and shoot HEB commercials. Morton only got a 2-year $30 million deal when he left us after a longer run or revitalized success though. Using him as an example shows Kikuchi deserves even less as a free agent. That was eight years ago. Inflation is a very really thing in baseball contracts. Like you just posted, the QO amount is over $21 million. That's up about $4 million just over the last eight years. Morton was also a year older at the time. And the extra wild cards mean more clubs are expecting to compete, driving more bidding wars, especially for a guy like Kikuchi who will not be getting a massive deal. IMO there is just no way he gets less than three years and $18-20 million per. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Oct 10, 2024 14:28:38 GMT -6
Braves won 89 games (Astros 88) this year and made the playoffs, and are just one year removed from winning 104 games on the back of baseball's best offense that scored almost 950 runs. Braves ownership said "not good enough" and fired all their hitting coaches. But Cintron has a lifetime deal or something I guess.
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Post by Saint on Oct 10, 2024 14:34:28 GMT -6
Morton only got a 2-year $30 million deal when he left us after a longer run or revitalized success though. Using him as an example shows Kikuchi deserves even less as a free agent. That was eight years ago. Inflation is a very really thing in baseball contracts. Like you just posted, the QO amount is over $21 million. That's up about $4 million just over the last eight years. Morton was also a year older at the time. And the extra wild cards mean more clubs are expecting to compete, driving more bidding wars, especially for a guy like Kikuchi who will not be getting a massive deal. IMO there is just no way he gets less than three years and $18-20 million per. But teams have also gotten a little smarter about bigger contracts for older players. We're seeing younger guys being given a chance earlier than we used to. We'll see what happens. I'm in the explore Framber/Tucker trade scenarios group just to see what might be possible. If they were to end up trading Framber, they definitely need to sign a pitcher like Kikuchi. |
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Post by mihdennabios on Oct 10, 2024 15:04:13 GMT -6
someone mentioned trading Pressly; he has no trade priviledges from the 10/5 rule
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 10, 2024 19:35:59 GMT -6
someone mentioned trading Pressly; he has no trade priviledges from the 10/5 rule You would think Pressly would waive it to get a chance to close again. Especially before he is a FA before the following off-season. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 11, 2024 9:01:34 GMT -6
Look at what we gave up to get him before he broke out. He was solid a solid #3 in 2023. He's a lefty with elite stuff and elite strikeout rates who finally broke out into elite performance after nothing more than mixing his pitches better. Anything less than $20 per year for three years would be utterly shocking IMO. This kind of sounds a lot like what people, Astros front office included, said about Morton after 2017. Really don't want to see another great starter go to some other team because we don't want to pay him as much as we're paying McCullers to sit on the bench and shoot HEB commercials. Watch McCullers comeback and dominate the last half of his last year of his contract, and the Astros extend him. If that happens, I’m not watching the Astros anymore Amen |
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