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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 4:47:21 GMT -6
Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. Yes, including this season. So what are you saying should be done? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 4:54:25 GMT -6
Luhnow helped for sure. But nothing happens without Crane. Y'all can be mad at him if you want, but none of this happens without Crane. Luhnow can build a dynasty without Crane. Crane proved he can't even keep one going for a few years without Luhnow (or another smart GM). It seems incredibly obvious to me that Luhnow is the one to thank. Good owners are all the same; they hire smart people and let them do their jobs without meddling. As soon as the owner starts to think he can do what the GM does, disaster strikes. Clockwork. Crane was a good owner...until he wasn't. But it's not even about that. Crane is ultimately the one in charge, so he should have known about the cheating and done something, right? That's your standard. I cannot understand how you want to blame Luhnow for it and think he needed to go, but Crane gets a pass, when you're main argument seems to be that Luhnow was in charge and so he should have done ________ (and you haven't filled in that blank still), but Crane who is Luhnow's boss should NOT have been expected to do ________. Luhnow gets the blame for the problems and Crane gets the ultimate praise for the good stuff, despite Luhnow being the one who did the actual work. I mean if there was some problem with Luhnow, and Crane hired him, why does Crane not get the blame for that hire then? Luhnow messes up (according to you), his fault. Luhnow succeeds, all thanks be to Crane. Crane messes up, hey, you can't hate on him, after all he hired the guy that I think needed to be fired and didn't get in his way while that guy succeeded. I can't connect the dots here. I don't blame Luhnow for it. I blame Luhnow for not doing more to stop it, and I don't believe he knew nothing about it. But it's not just the cheating, him and his team were disliked around baseball. There were other issues. Luhnow did a fantastic job, but he deserved to be punished and it was time to move on. Crane isn't without fault, but there is a big difference between ownership and management for a major corporate/franchise. Crane was punished too, but how do you fire the owner? You can hate Crane if you want, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. How many championships did Luhnow win as a GM before Crane hired him? Crane has made some mistakes, but he has also made good choices in his hiring with GMs after Luhnow. Brown's draft picks are already having success. Let's just give it some time to see how things pan out. A couple bad free agent signings on short-term deals isn't the end of the world. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2024 7:28:29 GMT -6
Yes, including this season. So what are you saying should be done? Place more of an emphasis on jocks not pushing people like Click out of the front office? Stop talking about windows and committing to old free agents? Sign homegrown star talent like Tucker to long term deals or trade them for high value prospects? Sign a guy like Trevor Bauer instead of whining about how it looks when the whole world hates your team anyway? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2024 7:29:35 GMT -6
Yes, including this season. This season was going to eventually happen Sure, I’m just saying if people are going to be blamed for it then Crane shouldn’t be exempt. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 7:32:33 GMT -6
This season was going to eventually happen Sure, I’m just saying if people are going to be blamed for it then Crane shouldn’t be exempt. The Texans are here for you while the Astros go through a retool/rebuild |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2024 7:36:39 GMT -6
Sure, I’m just saying if people are going to be blamed for it then Crane shouldn’t be exempt. The Texans are here for you while the Astros go through a retool/rebuild I’m excited. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 8:22:14 GMT -6
So what are you saying should be done? Place more of an emphasis on jocks not pushing people like Click out of the front office? Stop talking about windows and committing to old free agents? Sign homegrown star talent like Tucker to long term deals or trade them for high value prospects? Sign a guy like Trevor Bauer instead of whining about how it looks when the whole world hates your team anyway? So keep trying to put a winning team out on the field like he's done for years now? Got it. |
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Post by bearbryant on Jun 18, 2024 8:44:55 GMT -6
Assigning Crane blame for mismanaging the team the past couple years is the job of the local press. At least it used to be. I haven't seen much, but that might change if toiling in mediocrity became the norm
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 8:49:08 GMT -6
Assigning Crane blame for mismanaging the team the past couple years is the job of the local press. At least it used to be. I haven't seen much, but that might change if toiling in mediocrity became the norm Maybe because we've been a great team until April of this year. Maybe the press is more understanding than the majority of our fanbase... |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 9:05:17 GMT -6
Assigning Crane blame for mismanaging the team the past couple years is the job of the local press. At least it used to be. I haven't seen much, but that might change if toiling in mediocrity became the norm Maybe because we've been a great team until April of this year. Maybe the press is more understanding than the majority of our fanbase... Well, the Astros are tied for 2nd in the ALWest, disregarding the fact the ALW is a joke. Astros are 9 games back of the Mariners. Besides the Orioles, their upcoming schedule is pretty easy. If they don’t cut into the Mariners lead significantly, then they have to trade away Bregman, Pressly ( if he can up his value) and Valdez. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 9:08:44 GMT -6
Maybe because we've been a great team until April of this year. Maybe the press is more understanding than the majority of our fanbase... Well, the Astros are tied for 2nd in the ALWest, disregarding the fact the ALW is a joke. Astros are 9 games back of the Mariners. Besides the Orioles, their upcoming schedule is pretty easy. If they don’t cut into the Mariners lead significantly, then they have to trade away Bregman, Pressly ( if he can up his value) and Valdez. I wouldn't trade Valdez yet unless we're throwing in the towel on next year too. And if that's the case, we should trade Tucker as well. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 9:16:58 GMT -6
Well, the Astros are tied for 2nd in the ALWest, disregarding the fact the ALW is a joke. Astros are 9 games back of the Mariners. Besides the Orioles, their upcoming schedule is pretty easy. If they don’t cut into the Mariners lead significantly, then they have to trade away Bregman, Pressly ( if he can up his value) and Valdez. I wouldn't trade Valdez yet unless we're throwing in the towel on next year too. And if that's the case, we should trade Tucker as well. Tucker they should extend. Reason on trading Valdez, bc they’re not going to extend him. An extended Tucker can help a revamped /retooled Astros contend 3 to 4 years from now. Hopefully with some younger talent obtained from trading away Bregman, Pressly and Valdez. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 9:21:10 GMT -6
Astros 2026 Alvarez Extended Tucker Pena Diaz Altuve Melton Matthews Javier Brown Blanco Spaghetti  ?? Hader Abreu |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 10:01:36 GMT -6
I wouldn't trade Valdez yet unless we're throwing in the towel on next year too. And if that's the case, we should trade Tucker as well. Tucker they should extend. Reason on trading Valdez, bc they’re not going to extend him. An extended Tucker can help a revamped /retooled Astros contend 3 to 4 years from now. Hopefully with some younger talent obtained from trading away Bregman, Pressly and Valdez. I'm always surprised at the amount of people that don't think more highly of Framber. He's been super durable and effective. He may not be an ace-level, but he's certainly a good 2-3 level pitcher. You wouldn't keep him on a 4-5 year deal at around $20-23 mil a year? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 10:42:10 GMT -6
Tucker they should extend. Reason on trading Valdez, bc they’re not going to extend him. An extended Tucker can help a revamped /retooled Astros contend 3 to 4 years from now. Hopefully with some younger talent obtained from trading away Bregman, Pressly and Valdez. I'm always surprised at the amount of people that don't think more highly of Framber. He's been super durable and effective. He may not be an ace-level, but he's certainly a good 2-3 level pitcher. You wouldn't keep him on a 4-5 year deal at around $20-23 mil a year? No, I bought into he gets too rattled. Therefore, I say we pass |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 10:43:49 GMT -6
I'm always surprised at the amount of people that don't think more highly of Framber. He's been super durable and effective. He may not be an ace-level, but he's certainly a good 2-3 level pitcher. You wouldn't keep him on a 4-5 year deal at around $20-23 mil a year? No, I bought into he gets too rattled. Therefore, I say we pass Yeah but who doesn't get rattled sometimes? His overall production (outside of the WS) has been very good. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 18, 2024 11:09:30 GMT -6
No, I bought into he gets too rattled. Therefore, I say we pass Yeah but who doesn't get rattled sometimes? His overall production (outside of the WS) has been very good. I’m against 4 to 5 year, relatively expensive contracts on pitchers with his alleged mental makeup |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 14:16:29 GMT -6
Yeah but who doesn't get rattled sometimes? His overall production (outside of the WS) has been very good. I’m against 4 to 5 year, relatively expensive contracts on pitchers with his alleged mental makeup Yeah but Lance had health concerns (and he's cheaper). |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2024 16:05:57 GMT -6
Place more of an emphasis on jocks not pushing people like Click out of the front office? Stop talking about windows and committing to old free agents? Sign homegrown star talent like Tucker to long term deals or trade them for high value prospects? Sign a guy like Trevor Bauer instead of whining about how it looks when the whole world hates your team anyway? So keep trying to put a winning team out on the field like he's done for years now? Got it. Get off Crane’s payroll please. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 16:35:15 GMT -6
So keep trying to put a winning team out on the field like he's done for years now? Got it. Get off Crane’s payroll please. So you're saying that he hasn't been trying to put a winning team on the field? That he hasn't spent a ton of money (including this offseason)? That he hasn't brought in a GM to try and rebuild the farm system? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 18, 2024 17:20:17 GMT -6
Get off Crane’s payroll please. So you're saying that he hasn't been trying to put a winning team on the field? That he hasn't spent a ton of money (including this offseason)? That he hasn't brought in a GM to try and rebuild the farm system? No, I just think it’s odd that you can’t even concede that he’s partly at fault for this team when they were already sucking at hitting last season. His effort is not in question. It’s the direction he took the front office away from what worked for no reason other than disliking Click. We keep talking about NOW and you keep talking about then. Also, saying Click > Luhnow is insane asylum kind of stuff. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 18, 2024 17:57:12 GMT -6
Just Dingers Davis available on waiver wire again. Considering he's no worse, and potentially better, than Singleton, and can play 1B (and even save the bullpen by pitching in blow out), it would make a lot of sense to take a flier on him. |
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 18, 2024 18:03:18 GMT -6
Luhnow can build a dynasty without Crane. Crane proved he can't even keep one going for a few years without Luhnow (or another smart GM). It seems incredibly obvious to me that Luhnow is the one to thank. Good owners are all the same; they hire smart people and let them do their jobs without meddling. As soon as the owner starts to think he can do what the GM does, disaster strikes. Clockwork. Crane was a good owner...until he wasn't. But it's not even about that. Crane is ultimately the one in charge, so he should have known about the cheating and done something, right? That's your standard. I cannot understand how you want to blame Luhnow for it and think he needed to go, but Crane gets a pass, when you're main argument seems to be that Luhnow was in charge and so he should have done ________ (and you haven't filled in that blank still), but Crane who is Luhnow's boss should NOT have been expected to do ________. Luhnow gets the blame for the problems and Crane gets the ultimate praise for the good stuff, despite Luhnow being the one who did the actual work. I mean if there was some problem with Luhnow, and Crane hired him, why does Crane not get the blame for that hire then? Luhnow messes up (according to you), his fault. Luhnow succeeds, all thanks be to Crane. Crane messes up, hey, you can't hate on him, after all he hired the guy that I think needed to be fired and didn't get in his way while that guy succeeded. I can't connect the dots here. I don't blame Luhnow for it. I blame Luhnow for not doing more to stop it, and I don't believe he knew nothing about it. But it's not just the cheating, him and his team were disliked around baseball. There were other issues. Luhnow did a fantastic job, but he deserved to be punished and it was time to move on. Crane isn't without fault, but there is a big difference between ownership and management for a major corporate/franchise. Crane was punished too, but how do you fire the owner? You can hate Crane if you want, I'm just saying that I don't understand it. How many championships did Luhnow win as a GM before Crane hired him? Crane has made some mistakes, but he has also made good choices in his hiring with GMs after Luhnow. Brown's draft picks are already having success. Let's just give it some time to see how things pan out. A couple bad free agent signings on short-term deals isn't the end of the world. Just a hard disagree. Believe what you want, but no evidence was found according to the commissioner despite the testimony of many people and an examination of text and email accounts. The other things he was disliked for was upsetting the status quo and not being apologetic enough for it. I can't fathom thinking the most exceptional GM in Houston sports history should lose his job over those types of things, without any evidence of any actual malfeasance. What is the difference? Neither of them are in the clubhouse. Neither of them interact with players and managers routinely. A GM's job is to assemble the roster and develop minor league talent. It's the manager's job to manage the players' behavior. Hinch failed. Luhnow's first GM job was Houston. He was a minor league coordinator with St. Louis. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 18, 2024 18:47:48 GMT -6
So you're saying that he hasn't been trying to put a winning team on the field? That he hasn't spent a ton of money (including this offseason)? That he hasn't brought in a GM to try and rebuild the farm system? No, I just think it’s odd that you can’t even concede that he’s partly at fault for this team when they were already sucking at hitting last season. His effort is not in question. It’s the direction he took the front office away from what worked for no reason other than disliking Click. We keep talking about NOW and you keep talking about then. Also, saying Click > Luhnow is insane asylum kind of stuff. A. I've never said Crane was without fault. He's made mistakes for sure. But I feel like a lot of people are greatly overreacting due to us finally having a poor season. How about some gratitude? You may not like all of his choices/moves, but one bad season and some of you are on him like he's Drayton. B. If an owner and a GM aren't on the same page, the GM is going to be gone. But Click was given the opportunity to stay another year and work on the relationship if he wanted to. He preferred to take a demotion somewhere else. C. I keep talking about THEN because I'll take several years of information over less than 3 months NOW. D. I didn't say Click > Luhnow. I said I think Click would be a better fit for us now. Although I think Brown has potential too. |
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Post by inaltuvewetrust on Jun 20, 2024 8:55:01 GMT -6
The state of the starting pitching depth has been decimated this season. It’s been so rough that the front office has resorted to the following. Per Chandler Rome:
The Astros are expected to promote pitching prospect Jake Bloss straight from Double-A to make his major-league debut on Friday against the Baltimore Orioles.
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 20, 2024 11:27:37 GMT -6
Boy this is...this is a very fast promotion. In A ball he was 2-4 years older than most of the guys he was dominating. Since his AA promotion his strikeout rate has tanked. I like him and have high hopes for him, but this feels rushed, a desperation move. Hope he doesn't get rocked.
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2024 13:13:31 GMT -6
Boy this is...this is a very fast promotion. In A ball he was 2-4 years older than most of the guys he was dominating. Since his AA promotion his strikeout rate has tanked. I like him and have high hopes for him, but this feels rushed, a desperation move. Hope he doesn't get rocked. Hopefully it's just one game to give him a taste. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 20, 2024 21:11:36 GMT -6
Loperfido coming back ahead of Friday's game. Bench Chas for a bit...
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Post by Ashitaka on Jun 23, 2024 20:42:42 GMT -6
Forrest Whitley off the IL tonight. Pitched a scoreless inning and was clocked as high as 99 MPH.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 23, 2024 20:48:31 GMT -6
Forrest Whitley off the IL tonight. Pitched a scoreless inning and was clocked as high as 99 MPH. Stop. |
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