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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 1, 2018 17:50:46 GMT -6
Here's the Litmus test for relievers: You hear it all the time...fans, players or announcers say, "The team is hoping to avoid facing (Chapman, Jansen, etc, etc)." Do teams hope to avoid facing Squatting Ken? I doubt it. Or, "OMG, hope we don't have to face Wil Harris!" I can't remember if it was yesterday or today Mad Dog mentioned in a playoff series on the line "do you think the Yankees are going to be afraid of the Stros pen". |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 1, 2018 17:55:39 GMT -6
Surprised you don't see teams lighting candles, praying for the Astros relievers to get into the game.
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 1, 2018 21:15:51 GMT -6
Here's the Litmus test for relievers: You hear it all the time...fans, players or announcers say, "The team is hoping to avoid facing (Chapman, Jansen, etc, etc)." Do teams hope to avoid facing Squatting Ken? I doubt it. Or, "OMG, hope we don't have to face Wil Harris!" Yes, the reason why Giles draws the ire of the fanbase is because the team won a championship in spite of him rather than because of him. Sure, he did well during the season, but he failed when Hinch needed him the most. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 1, 2018 21:18:11 GMT -6
Here's the Litmus test for relievers: You hear it all the time...fans, players or announcers say, "The team is hoping to avoid facing (Chapman, Jansen, etc, etc)." Do teams hope to avoid facing Squatting Ken? I doubt it. Or, "OMG, hope we don't have to face Wil Harris!" I can't remember if it was yesterday or today Mad Dog mentioned in a playoff series on the line "do you think the Yankees are going to be afraid of the Stros pen". All I’ve got to say is this. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 1, 2018 21:51:56 GMT -6
Here's the Litmus test for relievers: You hear it all the time...fans, players or announcers say, "The team is hoping to avoid facing (Chapman, Jansen, etc, etc)." Do teams hope to avoid facing Squatting Ken? I doubt it. Or, "OMG, hope we don't have to face Wil Harris!" Maybe they should. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Jun 1, 2018 22:03:51 GMT -6
I can't remember if it was yesterday or today Mad Dog mentioned in a playoff series on the line "do you think the Yankees are going to be afraid of the Stros pen". All I’ve got to say is this. If it is down to the Yankees-Stros ALCS, AJ will probably go back to the same formula. I took some heat after the Yankees series, if it was October maybe I would cry, there is a long time until then and things can change. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 5, 2018 13:35:18 GMT -6
Just remember what you want a closer to be able to do. Giles numbers in various roles, including Save situations:  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 5, 2018 22:06:14 GMT -6
Just remember what you want a closer to be able to do. Giles numbers in various roles, including Save situations: View AttachmentSo, what will you say when he blows a save? Being unable to close out a 5-run lead in Cleveland was okay? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 8:19:12 GMT -6
Just remember what you want a closer to be able to do. Giles numbers in various roles, including Save situations: So, what will you say when he blows a save? Being unable to close out a 5-run lead in Cleveland was okay? I'll say what needs to be said. He's not elite but he's okay. All relievers, even the best, have bad outings. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 8:57:15 GMT -6
So, what will you say when he blows a save? Being unable to close out a 5-run lead in Cleveland was okay? I'll say what needs to be said. He's not elite but he's okay. All relievers, even the best, have bad outings. You say 10/10 in saves. I say 5.21 ERA, opponents batting .291 against him, and a lot of hard contact. Case in point: |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 9:41:33 GMT -6
I'll say what needs to be said. He's not elite but he's okay. All relievers, even the best, have bad outings. You say 10/10 in saves. I say 5.21 ERA, opponents batting .291 against him, and a lot of hard contact. Case in point: None of that in Save situations. You created a thread to say Keuchel should pitch in favorable matchups, but you're not willing to recognize that Giles has been good in Save situations. How does that make sense? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 14:16:20 GMT -6
You say 10/10 in saves. I say 5.21 ERA, opponents batting .291 against him, and a lot of hard contact. Case in point: None of that in Save situations. You created a thread to say Keuchel should pitch in favorable matchups, but you're not willing to recognize that Giles has been good in Save situations. How does that make sense? Keuchel is not on par with other aces much like Giles’s propensity to have meltdown innings is not on par with a typical closer. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 14:27:44 GMT -6
None of that in Save situations. You created a thread to say Keuchel should pitch in favorable matchups, but you're not willing to recognize that Giles has been good in Save situations. How does that make sense? Keuchel is not on par with other aces much like Giles’s propensity to have meltdown innings is not on par with a typical closer. In typical closer situations he hasn't had meltdown innings.  |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 14:34:54 GMT -6
Keuchel is not on par with other aces much like Giles’s propensity to have meltdown innings is not on par with a typical closer. In typical closer situations he hasn't had meltdown innings. Closers also typically pitch in the 9th inning of tie games at home, and the video shows the result of that, mister. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 14:45:37 GMT -6
In typical closer situations he hasn't had meltdown innings. Closers also typically pitch in the 9th inning of tie games at home, and the video shows the result of that, mister. And he only did that once, right? |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 6, 2018 14:59:19 GMT -6
Closers also typically pitch in the 9th inning of tie games at home, and the video shows the result of that, mister. And he only did that once, right? Was that the tie game against the Yankees when Giles came in to pitch the 9th and Sanchez lined a three run homer off the green over the centerfield fence |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 15:02:39 GMT -6
Closers also typically pitch in the 9th inning of tie games at home, and the video shows the result of that, mister. And he only did that once, right? How many opportunities should a soft reliever have? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 15:03:01 GMT -6
And he only did that once, right? Was that the tie game against the Yankees when Giles came in to pitch the 9th and Sanchez lined a three run homer off the green over the centerfield fence Bingo. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 15:04:25 GMT -6
And he only did that once, right? How many opportunities should a soft reliever have? I don't know. How many opportunities do we give any struggling player who has had success in the past? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 15:06:30 GMT -6
How many opportunities should a soft reliever have? I don't know. How many opportunities do we give any struggling player who has had success in the past? Eh, it’s not like he’s some lifetime achievement award candidate like K-Rod. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 15:14:16 GMT -6
I don't know. How many opportunities do we give any struggling player who has had success in the past? Eh, it’s not like he’s some lifetime achievement award candidate like K-Rod. Sure, but he's had runs of good success too. If you have a player who is good in certain situations, and you have plenty of those situations available during the season, why not use him? I agree we still need some help in our bullpen, but like I was telling Papa in another thread, we need somebody we can count on in the different types of stressful situations. Like Andrew Miller was. Closing out final innings with small or mild leads isn't really the problem. It's extra innings and earlier in games in close games. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 16:04:03 GMT -6
But if he needs certain cushy situations, how useful is he?
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 6, 2018 17:17:30 GMT -6
So, what will you say when he blows a save? Being unable to close out a 5-run lead in Cleveland was okay? I'll say what needs to be said. He's not elite but he's okay. All relievers, even the best, have bad outings. Just not 4/5 of their outings. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 17:25:20 GMT -6
But if he needs certain cushy situations, how useful is he? I'm not sure I would call 1-2-3 run leads as cushy. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 6, 2018 17:46:38 GMT -6
But if he needs certain cushy situations, how useful is he? I'm not sure I would call 1-2-3 run leads as cushy. Depends on the opponent. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 6, 2018 17:59:49 GMT -6
But if he needs certain cushy situations, how useful is he? I'm not sure I would call 1-2-3 run leads as cushy. How many of his 10 saves were clean innings where Giles didn't put 1-3 runners on base and nearly blow the lead? |
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Post by Saint on Jun 6, 2018 18:14:08 GMT -6
I'm not sure I would call 1-2-3 run leads as cushy. How many of his 10 saves were clean innings where Giles didn't put 1-3 runners on base and nearly blow the lead? Very few because his BAA and walks are very good in those situations. |
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Post by astrosdoug on Jun 18, 2018 8:46:26 GMT -6
Among Astros relievers, all have done well over the past month all things considered, but a couple guys are due for a change in fortune.
Harris has dealt with an unusual spate of HR balls but pitched well otherwise, and he is due for a stretch of dominance this summer.
Sipp, on the other hand, has gotten away with some bad pitches and is due for a blow-up or two. Sipp projects to head toward the 3.60 to 3.70 range in terms of ERA, so when I say 'blowing up' it doesn't mean becoming really bad.
Rondon and Giles are showing no major warning signs either and should do fine. The numbers say Peacock is the weakest pitcher in the bullpen by expected ERA though not by stamina. If he's the worst pitcher on the staff, Lord have mercy on the Astros' opponents.
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Post by astrosdoug on Jul 10, 2018 12:10:08 GMT -6
I discovered on youtube today that Ken Giles has reinvented himself as a retro musician
I guess we don't have to worry about Giles-related Heart Attacks in the postseason
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