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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 11, 2019 9:09:23 GMT -6
If he can scoop a low throw or toss the ball to the pitcher on the way to first base, that’s good enough. I really hope he has at least some range because with Altuve’s range and arm, I hope the guy to his left can bail him out on occasion. the guy to his left? The first baseman. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 11, 2019 9:53:10 GMT -6
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 11, 2019 10:03:52 GMT -6
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 11, 2019 10:59:33 GMT -6
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 11, 2019 11:10:32 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Jun 11, 2019 11:11:55 GMT -6
Worst ideas ever.
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 11, 2019 11:42:02 GMT -6
We are only trying to help. Carlos Gomez would be another good one. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 11, 2019 11:52:31 GMT -6
At the moment we're leaning towards Christian, but that seems to change frequently.
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Jun 11, 2019 13:52:33 GMT -6
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Post by Saint on Jun 11, 2019 14:29:15 GMT -6
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 11, 2019 15:16:01 GMT -6
GAUDIN! You got to do it!!! |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 11, 2019 15:41:21 GMT -6
There are 18 teams with a current <25% chance of making the playoffs this season. Scanning those rosters, here are the tiers of pitchers who are likely to be available that might make sense for Houston:
Borderline ToR SP:
Stroman
Lynn
Minor
Syndergaard
Wheeler
Sonny Gray
Greinke
Ray
Bumgarner
MoR SP with upside:
Heaney
Matz
Jon Gray
Bundy
Duffy
Leake
Archer
Samardzija
Relievers with closing experience:
Givens
Colome
Greene
Diekman
Boxberger
Hendriks
Soria
Leclerc
Diaz
Iglesias
Vasquez
Kela
Davis
Holland
Smith
Melancon
Watson
Dyson
Upside relievers:
Jimenez
Kennedy
Peralta
Petit
Kelley
Gsellman
Lugo
Garrett
Liriano
Bradley
Bettis
One look at the reliever market tells me it’ll be a buyers’ market, and that Houston should be able to add a good reliever for a relatively low cost.
The starting pitching market won’t be as cheap, unless rebuilding teams add to the supply by making young controllable players available (like Boyd and Giolito). But I still think Luhnow will be able to make a decent deal; it just might not be a Verlander/Cole type of pitcher unless it’s Bumgarner or Greinke. I will say Heaney, Matz, and Ray are all very interesting to me. It’s a shame Taillon is hurt; he seems like he would have been the perfect target.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 11, 2019 15:41:48 GMT -6
I also think Houston will add a catcher. Here are the likely options:
James McCann
Narvaez
Lucroy
Phegley
Avila
Ramos
Iannetta
Barnhart
Maldonado
Wieters
Wolters
Diaz
Cervelli
Castillo
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 11, 2019 16:02:39 GMT -6
In the Catchers market my top guys i would aim for to set behind Chirinos and possibly go all out Next year
Omar Narvaez from Seattle
3 arb years remaining
Tony Wolters from Colorado
3 arb years remaining
James McCann from Chicago
1arb year remaining
I believe 1 of the top two would be the ideal trade candidate for the Astros since its more years remaining on there current deals. Or Arb years.
McCann has just some how turned it all around and started hitting all the sudden. Crazy huh?
Ideally with out touching are top 10 guys
Would be the Direction you would aim for first.
James McCann to the Astros for
Tony Kemp, Rogelio Armentaros and Dean Deetz
Or
Omar Narvaez to the Astros for
Tony Kemp, Bryan Abreu, Abraham Toro and a low level prospect.
Or
Tony Wolters to the Astros for
Bryan Abreu, Rogelio Armentaros and Abraham Toro
I think any of those trades would work and be fairly decent for the Astros.
By getting a Catcher that has control for more years like Wolters amd Narvaez would be ideal. McCann wouldnt be a bad choice either.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 11, 2019 21:04:42 GMT -6
How about Scott Oberg and Tony Wolters in a Combo Trade?
There ten games back in a Hitters park which hurts Wolters some. But Oberg is doeing fantastic there.
He is a sleeper RP that alot of people dont know about?
Just an idea
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Post by abregmanfan on Jun 11, 2019 21:06:11 GMT -6
How about Scott Oberg and Tony Wolters in a Combo Trade? There ten games back in a Hitters park which hurts Wolters some. But Oberg is doeing fantastic there. He is a sleeper RP that alot of people dont know about? Just an idea <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.860000000000127px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_20574015" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_3521674" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49612119" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41046561" scrolling="no"></iframe> I don't like that trade. Bumgarner or bust for me. If you have any other ideas shoot them over. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 11, 2019 21:59:38 GMT -6
How about Scott Oberg and Tony Wolters in a Combo Trade? There ten games back in a Hitters park which hurts Wolters some. But Oberg is doeing fantastic there. He is a sleeper RP that alot of people dont know about? Just an idea <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.860000000000127px; height: 4.840000000000003px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_20574015" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_3521674" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_49612119" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.860000000000127" height="4.840000000000003" style="position: absolute; width: 29.86px; height: 4.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1427px; top: 181px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41046561" scrolling="no"></iframe> I don't like that trade. Bumgarner or bust for me. If you have any other ideas shoot them over. Why Bumgarner? He just doesnt have anymore looks lost some days and know he runs his mouth snd gets checked. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Jun 11, 2019 22:21:45 GMT -6
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 12, 2019 4:17:30 GMT -6
Hey, Nate. People think Bumgarner is cool so they want him here.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 12, 2019 8:19:36 GMT -6
Hey, Nate. People think Bumgarner is cool so they want him here. No where near what we need in Houston. He is on the last year of his deal. Has looked the same in what the last two years maybe more. He thinks he is the cock of the walk. But really a flamingo. Runs his mouth to players, has gotten worse over the years like his stuff is so good no way you should hit it. Problem for me is. Im not trading a couple of good prospects for a player who doesnt seem like he loves the game anymore. And he is aweful. |
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Post by Saint on Jun 12, 2019 8:33:37 GMT -6
If Bumgarner didn't love the game, he wouldn't get mad giving up HRs.
I don't mind him being fiery, JV is fiery. Bumgarner is a proven winner who knows the pressure of the postseason and has excelled in it. And while he is having a decent season, it's not so great (and coming off the health issues) that he would be costly prospect-wise. But, he's still young and talented enough to warrant an extension from us past this year. He'll be cheaper than Cole and won't require as long a contract length. Having another veteran to pair with JV past this season is very valuable.
Plus, we have a surplus of young OFers that we could likely use to get him.
That being said, I like Greinke too. Stroman would be okay, but he's kind of an asshat.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 12, 2019 8:41:09 GMT -6
If Bumgarner didn't love the game, he wouldn't get mad giving up HRs. I don't mind him being fiery, JV is fiery. Bumgarner is a proven winner who knows the pressure of the postseason and has excelled in it. And while he is having a decent season, it's not so great (and coming off the health issues) that he would be costly prospect-wise. But, he's still young and talented enough to warrant an extension from us past this year. He'll be cheaper than Cole and won't require as long a contract length. Having another veteran to pair with JV past this season is very valuable. Plus, we have a surplus of young OFers that we could likely use to get him. That being said, I like Greinke too. Stroman would be okay, but he's kind of an asshat. I echo this post |
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Post by Hunter McCormick on Jun 12, 2019 9:10:14 GMT -6
If Bumgarner didn't love the game, he wouldn't get mad giving up HRs. I don't mind him being fiery, JV is fiery. Bumgarner is a proven winner who knows the pressure of the postseason and has excelled in it. And while he is having a decent season, it's not so great (and coming off the health issues) that he would be costly prospect-wise. But, he's still young and talented enough to warrant an extension from us past this year. He'll be cheaper than Cole and won't require as long a contract length. Having another veteran to pair with JV past this season is very valuable. Plus, we have a surplus of young OFers that we could likely use to get him. That being said, I like Greinke too. Stroman would be okay, but he's kind of an asshat. I echo this post Bumgarner belongs in the conversation right now. Stroman too, even though he's a malcontent. Arizona is only 3 games out in the NL Wild Card chase. With a month and a half until the deadline, it's WAY premature to think he'll be traded. Same for anyone from Colorado. The thought that Colorado and Arizona are nine and ten games out respectively within their division, completely missed the point. A month from now, things might look very different. Those two teams might be in even better position in the WC chase. Or either (or both) could drop completely out of contention and become sellers. But we won't know until that story unfolds. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 12, 2019 9:31:32 GMT -6
I wouldn’t mind Bumgarner here, but you have to trade for him and likely offer a market value extension unless he really loves it here. The only reason I suggested Greinke was because it’s basically the same thing as offering Bumgarner the extension. Plus, he has better numbers.
That all being said, I don’t picture Luhnow going for either. I’d be for it depending on who is traded. Álvarez and Tucker are really valuable so the return better be amazing.
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Post by talshill on Jun 12, 2019 9:39:27 GMT -6
I don't think they'll be interested in a position player at all. Even with Smith and McHugh coming back, they will probably still get a reliever if possible. I'd guess Greinke is out of the picture due to salary and, to a lesser extent, age. Bumgarner and Stroman are likely candidates, but you never know. They probably have their eye on someone we haven't considered who fits their spin rate profile, or some dude they think they can make better (like Pressly).
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Post by unionstation82 on Jun 12, 2019 9:43:48 GMT -6
I don't think they'll be interested in a position player at all. Even with Smith and McHugh coming back, they will probably still get a reliever if possible. I'd guess Greinke is out of the picture due to salary and, to a lesser extent, age. Bumgarner and Stroman are likely candidates, but you never know. They probably have their eye on someone we haven't considered who fits their spin rate profile, or some dude they think they can make better (like Pressly). Speaking of Pressly, he made Arcia look like a fool last night. What a great find by Luhnow. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 12, 2019 9:57:01 GMT -6
I honestly think the Astros could Dangle
Jake Marisnick and Derek Fisher to the Giants and get Will Smith.
This would be the plus we needed out of the Bullpen.
This could open the Hole for Kyle Tucker with Myles Straw.
I understand one or two of you think Jake is Untouchable but he does have value to a OF needy team like the Giants and fisher would be a sweetner.
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 12, 2019 10:03:01 GMT -6
I dont think Bumgarner or Grienke should be in Houston. Dont like niether.
Im looking younger and longer term players to cover us next year aswell.
We are not certain that Miley McHugh or Cole will be back next year. We dont need to trade Prospects that we may need for a rental or a very much older player who makes way way to much.
Guys with arb years even though the price would be high. It would be worth it for the fact of atleast we would have the player next year. And maybe years to come depending on the player.
Prospects for rentals is stupid as is players who are very muched aged and high contracts.
But a player in his mid 20s and has arb uears remaining would be the ideal business move.
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Post by thomasj13 on Jun 12, 2019 10:30:17 GMT -6
I dont think Bumgarner or Grienke should be in Houston. Dont like niether. Im looking younger and longer term players to cover us next year aswell. We are not certain that Miley McHugh or Cole will be back next year. We dont need to trade Prospects that we may need for a rental or a very much older player who makes way way to much. Guys with arb years even though the price would be high. It would be worth it for the fact of atleast we would have the player next year. And maybe years to come depending on the player. Prospects for rentals is stupid as is players who are very muched aged and high contracts. But a player in his mid 20s and has arb uears remaining would be the ideal business move. Younger, cheaper, longer controlled players are not traded unless a contending team is wanting an established veteran to make a playoff run ... So what you're wanting doesn't work in baseball. |
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Post by nathangarza29 on Jun 12, 2019 11:42:30 GMT -6
Marcus Stroman is avaliable. That works
Aaron Sanchez is available. That works
Robbie Ray etc etc etc
It does work. It just no what you wanna here with track records of players.
Its the same every year.
You will have to pay a price to get them but you dont want to. You would rathet play for Madbum which will be a medium price way to much for him. He is crappy js.
Or Grienke, the Diamondbacks are looking for someone to be suckered on yhat contract.
But there are several players that can be had. And thats why its a buyers market not a sellers
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