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Post by bearbryant on Apr 24, 2018 10:46:15 GMT -6
I admire Gattis as much as anyone for overcoming addiction and being homeless. His story should encourage anyone and let them know they can overcome things like this. But, he needs to start earning his roster spot. It's amazing how established productive players aren't getting more patience from fans than this. Especially after these same players brought so much success last year. |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Apr 24, 2018 11:11:42 GMT -6
I've supported Gattis from day 1, argued with Unionstation about him. But he hasn't been productive since the 1st half of last season. And even then, it was really the first time he was consistent. It's time to produce.
Jake has never carried his weight, and never will. I don't care what his ops was...every other stat sucks from day 1 through today. Lucky HRs occasionally aren't enough. Just ask Chris Carter.
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2018 11:49:49 GMT -6
It's amazing how established productive players aren't getting more patience from fans than this. Especially after these same players brought so much success last year. Being irked and complaining about a player needing to improve, are different from wanting them gone and/or replaced one month into the season. (It's only been one month, after all.) Maybe I'm just so happy that we finally won a WS that I'm not as tough on players as I used to be, but I feel like these guys/coaches/front office deserve more patience. Especially considering that, not only did they all help bring us a championship last year, but that we're also in 1st place again this year (ATM). I'm annoyed with the performance of Jake, Gattis, Marwin, Fisher, etc. as well, but I don't think it's time for them to be gone. Jake and Marwin are not playing in the roles that made them successful. Fisher is still young and has had limited playing time. Gattis might very well be in the decline, but he had a very productive year in 2016 and was still above-average in 2017 as well. Maybe White and some of these guys would be an improvement (maybe), but I believe in a little loyalty considering how well these same guys did last year and the fact that this season is still young. If we don't keep winning and/or if we don't see some improvement after a few more weeks, then I'll agree it's time to move on. We can't hold up progress just because of fond memories. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2018 11:51:06 GMT -6
I've supported Gattis from day 1, argued with Unionstation about him. But he hasn't been productive since the 1st half of last season. And even then, it was really the first time he was consistent. It's time to produce. Jake has never carried his weight, and never will. I don't care what his ops was...every other stat sucks from day 1 through today. Lucky HRs occasionally aren't enough. Just ask Chris Carter. It's not just his OPS, all the defensive metrics peg him as saving runs as well. If you want to ignore stats/numbers that's fine, but then you might as well ignore them for everybody. |
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Post by marshall on Apr 24, 2018 12:15:15 GMT -6
I'm surprise you're surprised. We all know how fickle fans are. That's why we have a Representative Republic rather than a Democracy like the French tried and blew big time. Now don't try giving a civics lesson around here. Say that in a school today and you would get run out of town. I know. That's why my kids were home schooled where education still trumps (no pun intended) propogandization. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2018 12:58:17 GMT -6
It's not just his OPS, all the defensive metrics peg him as saving runs as well. If you want to ignore stats/numbers that's fine, but then you might as well ignore them for everybody. The way he hits, he better be robbing home runs from the Crawford Boxes. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2018 12:59:22 GMT -6
I've supported Gattis from day 1, argued with Unionstation about him. But he hasn't been productive since the 1st half of last season. And even then, it was really the first time he was consistent. It's time to produce. Jake has never carried his weight, and never will. I don't care what his ops was...every other stat sucks from day 1 through today. Lucky HRs occasionally aren't enough. Just ask Chris Carter. You’ve convinced me about Marisnick the way I’ve done to you about Gattis. The circle is complete. |
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Post by blcoach8 on Apr 24, 2018 13:45:26 GMT -6
i agree that jake hws saved runs with his defense. But, how many have we failed to score due to his many strikeouts? If we could carry him on the roster and only use him as a pinch runner or defensive replacemnt, that would be great, but, we can't do that and also keep Gattis and Fisher who are equally terrible with the bat. Sometimes Hinch pays too much attention to numbers instead of what he sees. Reddick was hot at the plate and has handled left-handed pitching and Hinch decides to sit him and play Jake.......made no sense. Gattis has been horrible and is the WORST DH in the league. We get nothing from hi. The only time he has hit is when he catches and he is basically a #3 catcher behind McCann and Stassi. We cannot afford to keep carrying Gattis, Jake, and Fisher all three on this team and win. We desperately need a DH but I don't know of anyone that is available to sign or in a trade. We would be better off to send Fisher and Jake down and bring up White and Kemp or even Davis. Frankly, I would not be opposed to DFA'ing Gattis. He's a nice guy but dead weight.
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 24, 2018 14:03:25 GMT -6
I've supported Gattis from day 1, argued with Unionstation about him. But he hasn't been productive since the 1st half of last season. And even then, it was really the first time he was consistent. It's time to produce. Jake has never carried his weight, and never will. I don't care what his ops was...every other stat sucks from day 1 through today. Lucky HRs occasionally aren't enough. Just ask Chris Carter. I still love the Jake from Suck Farm quote....classic. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Apr 24, 2018 14:04:26 GMT -6
I've supported Gattis from day 1, argued with Unionstation about him. But he hasn't been productive since the 1st half of last season. And even then, it was really the first time he was consistent. It's time to produce. Jake has never carried his weight, and never will. I don't care what his ops was...every other stat sucks from day 1 through today. Lucky HRs occasionally aren't enough. Just ask Chris Carter. It's not just his OPS, all the defensive metrics peg him as saving runs as well. If you want to ignore stats/numbers that's fine, but then you might as well ignore them for everybody. Glad, you came back to posting here... |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2018 14:07:55 GMT -6
It's not just his OPS, all the defensive metrics peg him as saving runs as well. If you want to ignore stats/numbers that's fine, but then you might as well ignore them for everybody. Glad, you came back to posting here... You missed reading arguments? haha As long as the format and such of this forum doesn't get messed with I'll stick around. I didn't like the changes that kept being made on the old board. |
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2018 14:09:12 GMT -6
It's not just his OPS, all the defensive metrics peg him as saving runs as well. If you want to ignore stats/numbers that's fine, but then you might as well ignore them for everybody. The way he hits, he better be robbing home runs from the Crawford Boxes. Why? Fisher robbed one just the other day and people still hate him. It's not his fault he looks like a garden gnome. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2018 15:03:49 GMT -6
The difference between Marisnick and Fisher is the amount of years of suck.
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Post by Saint on Apr 24, 2018 15:13:24 GMT -6
The difference between Marisnick and Fisher is the amount of years of suck. And the years of non-suck. Marisnick has actually had a non-suck year at this level. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Apr 24, 2018 20:08:27 GMT -6
Let me know when Jake can hit a righty.
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Post by Saint on Apr 25, 2018 9:21:03 GMT -6
Let me know when Jake can hit a righty. Let me know when Reddick can hit a lefty? All players have flaws. |
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Post by paastrosfan on Apr 25, 2018 11:22:10 GMT -6
The way he hits, he better be robbing home runs from the Crawford Boxes. Why? Fisher robbed one just the other day and people still hate him. It's not his fault he looks like a garden gnome. Funny for the hate of Fisher, last season after his debut and the talk of him going in a dead line deal, it looked like some posters would have given their left nut first before a deal. At that point White was on the shit list, how things change in the world of the forum. |
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