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Post by talshill on Oct 1, 2019 19:46:47 GMT -6
Whoa whoa, nothing wrong with backward hats. Griffey Jr. did it. What I do is to try to take my hat and and I turn around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a ....feel like a truck...Like a machine It's the vodka. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:48:04 GMT -6
What I do is to try to take my hat and and I turn around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a ....feel like a truck...Like a machine It's the vodka. I thought it might be backwards to keep Webber Grill flareups from igniting his brim. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 1, 2019 19:51:08 GMT -6
What I do is to try to take my hat and and I turn around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a ....feel like a truck...Like a machine  Nice catch. |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 1, 2019 19:52:23 GMT -6
What I do is to try to take my hat and and I turn around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a ....feel like a truck...Like a machine Bear would have caught it too....besides you two, don't know many others here that would. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 1, 2019 20:12:06 GMT -6
Whoa whoa, nothing wrong with backward hats. Griffey Jr. did it. What I do is to try to take my hat and and I turn around, and it's like a switch that goes on. And when the switch goes on, I feel like another person, I feel, I don't know, I feel like a ....feel like a truck...Like a machine Like an Animal? |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 1, 2019 21:25:01 GMT -6
Bear would have caught it too....besides you two, don't know many others here that would. Stallone sells that New York t-shirt on his website. You gonna buy it and take some scissors to it? |
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Post by ɮօʀȶǟʐ on Oct 2, 2019 8:23:11 GMT -6
Bear would have caught it too....besides you two, don't know many others here that would. Stallone sells that New York t-shirt on his website. You gonna buy it and take some scissors to it? Why have you been on Stallone's website? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 9:09:55 GMT -6
Stallone sells that New York t-shirt on his website. You gonna buy it and take some scissors to it? Why have you been on Stallone's website? LMAO.... I was lamenting about why some white people start their sentences with Yo.... Maybe he was researching Stallone since he was a 1976 pioneer using the phrase in Rocky !. (Yo Andreine) |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2019 9:32:50 GMT -6
Stallone sells that New York t-shirt on his website. You gonna buy it and take some scissors to it? Why have you been on Stallone's website? It’s where I grabbed the picture I posted without his consent. |
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Post by churchill on Oct 2, 2019 14:34:33 GMT -6
The MVP is an individual award, not a Team award. That's what pennants and rings are for. Just as the Cy Young and ROY awards are individual awards.
Verlander and Cole had as much or more to do with the success of the Astros as Bregman. The Astros had the best rotation in the AL, ROY, and really good position supporting cast. Don't get me wrong Bregman had a great season, but if Trout hadn't missed the final 3 weeks or if they occurred near the beginning of the season this wouldn't be a conversation.
Even Trout missing the last 3 weeks it was his best season yet.
Trout is the best player in baseball when he's on the field. Seems like a great guy with his head on straight. I hope his durability issues become a thing of the past because I'd love to see a full season of production from him. From 2012-2016 Trout played 157 to 159 games. In 2017 he lost time due to a thumb injury sliding into 2nd base; I think Correa had the same injury. It cost him the MVP to Altuve. Last year he missed a week or so with a hamstring pull and then his brother in law, a former Angel pitching prospect died, and Trout took some more time off and lost the MVP to Betts. Betts had at least as good of year as Trout and was on a post season team. Betts was the favorite to it and he did. This year Trout had a growth in his foot, he played with it for a month or so until he just couldn't play any longer. He said it was like walking with a stone in your shoe. If he would have missed the same amount of time in April instead of September this wouldn't even be a subject for discussion, I think Trout wins for the 3rd time, some say he should have won 5 by now. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 2, 2019 14:41:53 GMT -6
Trout is the best player in baseball when he's on the field. Seems like a great guy with his head on straight. I hope his durability issues become a thing of the past because I'd love to see a full season of production from him. From 2012-2016 Trout played 157 to 159 games. In 2017 he lost time due to a thumb injury sliding into 2nd base; I think Correa had the same injury. It cost him the MVP to Altuve. Last year he missed a week or so with a hamstring pull and then his brother in law, a former Angel pitching prospect died, and Trout took some more time off and lost the MVP to Betts. Betts had at least as good of year as Trout and was on a post season team. Betts was the favorite to it and he did. This year Trout had a growth in his foot, he played with it for a month or so until he just couldn't play any longer. He said it was like walking with a stone in your shoe. If he would have missed the same amount of time in April instead of September this wouldn't even be a subject for discussion, I think Trout wins for the 3rd time, some say he should have won 5 by now. I think you're probably right, but the thing to remember is that it DID happen in September and that the missed time hurts his value to the team no matter how good he is the rest of the time. 30 games is just too much time to miss if it's a close race. |
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Post by churchill on Oct 2, 2019 15:48:12 GMT -6
From 2012-2016 Trout played 157 to 159 games. In 2017 he lost time due to a thumb injury sliding into 2nd base; I think Correa had the same injury. It cost him the MVP to Altuve. Last year he missed a week or so with a hamstring pull and then his brother in law, a former Angel pitching prospect died, and Trout took some more time off and lost the MVP to Betts. Betts had at least as good of year as Trout and was on a post season team. Betts was the favorite to it and he did. This year Trout had a growth in his foot, he played with it for a month or so until he just couldn't play any longer. He said it was like walking with a stone in your shoe. If he would have missed the same amount of time in April instead of September this wouldn't even be a subject for discussion, I think Trout wins for the 3rd time, some say he should have won 5 by now. I think you're probably right, but the thing to remember is that it DID happen in September and that the missed time hurts his value to the team no matter how good he is the rest of the time. 30 games is just too much time to miss if it's a close race. If the Angels had a chance for a wild card Trout would played through the injury. He had for a month already, but they was nothing to be gained by playing hurt at the time he decided to have surgery. So if it costs him the award, so be it... |
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Post by bearbryant on Oct 2, 2019 15:49:17 GMT -6
Why have you been on Stallone's website? It’s where I grabbed the picture I posted without his consent. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 2, 2019 16:14:24 GMT -6
It’s where I grabbed the picture I posted without his consent. Dredd > Judge Dredd |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:56:29 GMT -6
I don't see how Trout is better than Bregman this year by any means.
WAR is also a flawed stat to go by. A player on a bad team could make a difference of 10 wins if he didn't play. Meaning that team could win 75 games but without their main player could have only won 65. But if that same team had one or two more prime superstars on their team then that player (with the same stats and games played) may have only contributed to only 5 more wins. Meaning the team could win 100 games but without the player they win only 95.
Bregman has a WAR over 8. That means if he didn't play the Astros would have had under 100 wins this year. He essentially brought a very good team to elite status. That is actually harder to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 16:59:10 GMT -6
One more thing. I feel Trout is less valuable because he cost his team a much higher draft pick. Without Trout the Angels could have picked in the top 3 instead of getting the 10th pick. What a selfish player! Can't get you to the post season but good enough to keep you out of getting another great player.
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 2, 2019 18:54:26 GMT -6
One more thing. I feel Trout is less valuable because he cost his team a much higher draft pick. Without Trout the Angels could have picked in the top 3 instead of getting the 10th pick. What a selfish player! Can't get you to the post season but good enough to keep you out of getting another great player. Angels should trade Trout to us also while eating $390M of his contract for Marisnick....so being still stuck with his salary would disuade them from signing any notable FAs....they would tank for years to come, but at least it would be building up their farm...just looking out for them. |
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Post by abregmanfan on Oct 2, 2019 18:57:47 GMT -6
One more thing. I feel Trout is less valuable because he cost his team a much higher draft pick. Without Trout the Angels could have picked in the top 3 instead of getting the 10th pick. What a selfish player! Can't get you to the post season but good enough to keep you out of getting another great player. Angels should trade Trout to us also while eating $390M of his contract for Marisnick....so being still stuck with his salary would disuade them from signing any notable FAs....they would tank for years to come, but at least it would be building up their farm...just looking out for them. Nathan, is that you? |
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Post by thomasj13 on Oct 2, 2019 19:14:42 GMT -6
Angels should trade Trout to us also while eating $390M of his contract for Marisnick....so being still stuck with his salary would disuade them from signing any notable FAs....they would tank for years to come, but at least it would be building up their farm...just looking out for them. Nathan, is that you? Hwo idd oyu figor me oot? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 21:10:56 GMT -6
Hwo idd oyu figor me oot? Tempo of the verbiage. js |
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Post by churchill on Oct 3, 2019 3:40:08 GMT -6
I don't see how Trout is better than Bregman this year by any means. WAR is also a flawed stat to go by. A player on a bad team could make a difference of 10 wins if he didn't play. Meaning that team could win 75 games but without their main player could have only won 65. But if that same team had one or two more prime superstars on their team then that player (with the same stats and games played) may have only contributed to only 5 more wins. Meaning the team could win 100 games but without the player they win only 95. Bregman has a WAR over 8. That means if he didn't play the Astros would have had under 100 wins this year. He essentially brought a very good team to elite status. That is actually harder to do. Trout had to face possibly the best rotation in baseball of the Astros and 4 against the Dodgers, while Bregman got to feast on the second worst rotation in baseball of the Angels. |
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Post by churchill on Oct 3, 2019 3:41:28 GMT -6
One more thing. I feel Trout is less valuable because he cost his team a much higher draft pick. Without Trout the Angels could have picked in the top 3 instead of getting the 10th pick. What a selfish player! Can't get you to the post season but good enough to keep you out of getting another great player. HAHAHA, very funny |
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2019 8:20:05 GMT -6
I don't see how Trout is better than Bregman this year by any means. WAR is also a flawed stat to go by. A player on a bad team could make a difference of 10 wins if he didn't play. Meaning that team could win 75 games but without their main player could have only won 65. But if that same team had one or two more prime superstars on their team then that player (with the same stats and games played) may have only contributed to only 5 more wins. Meaning the team could win 100 games but without the player they win only 95. Bregman has a WAR over 8. That means if he didn't play the Astros would have had under 100 wins this year. He essentially brought a very good team to elite status. That is actually harder to do. Trout had to face possibly the best rotation in baseball of the Astros and 4 against the Dodgers, while Bregman got to feast on the second worst rotation in baseball of the Angels. He had an .823 OPS against us this year including 3 HRs in 9 games. I don't feel like that hurts his case. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2019 9:54:47 GMT -6
I don't see how Trout is better than Bregman this year by any means. WAR is also a flawed stat to go by. A player on a bad team could make a difference of 10 wins if he didn't play. Meaning that team could win 75 games but without their main player could have only won 65. But if that same team had one or two more prime superstars on their team then that player (with the same stats and games played) may have only contributed to only 5 more wins. Meaning the team could win 100 games but without the player they win only 95. Bregman has a WAR over 8. That means if he didn't play the Astros would have had under 100 wins this year. He essentially brought a very good team to elite status. That is actually harder to do. Trout had to face possibly the best rotation in baseball of the Astros and 4 against the Dodgers, while Bregman got to feast on the second worst rotation in baseball of the Angels. If we can deal in hypotheticals, you also don’t know if Trout would’ve tailed off at the end. Three weeks is a long time. |
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2019 10:18:23 GMT -6
Trout had to face possibly the best rotation in baseball of the Astros and 4 against the Dodgers, while Bregman got to feast on the second worst rotation in baseball of the Angels. If we can deal in hypotheticals, you also don’t know if Trout would’ve tailed off at the end. Three weeks is a long time. Especially since he didn't have to face us for several games. |
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Post by churchill on Oct 3, 2019 10:21:07 GMT -6
Trout had to face possibly the best rotation in baseball of the Astros and 4 against the Dodgers, while Bregman got to feast on the second worst rotation in baseball of the Angels. He had an .823 OPS against us this year including 3 HRs in 9 games. I don't feel like that hurts his case. That's about a .200 point drop from his season OPS, while Bregman slashed .313/.471/.731/1.203/8 HRs against the Angels over 19 games. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2019 11:05:04 GMT -6
He had an .823 OPS against us this year including 3 HRs in 9 games. I don't feel like that hurts his case. That's about a .200 point drop from his season OPS, while Bregman slashed .313/.471/.731/1.203/8 HRs against the Angels over 19 games. So, the Angels are shitty both with and without Trout. |
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Post by unionstation82 on Oct 3, 2019 11:05:45 GMT -6
If we can deal in hypotheticals, you also don’t know if Trout would’ve tailed off at the end. Three weeks is a long time. Especially since he didn't have to face us for several games. The last series we faced Trout, did he even get a hit? |
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Post by Saint on Oct 3, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -6
He had an .823 OPS against us this year including 3 HRs in 9 games. I don't feel like that hurts his case. That's about a .200 point drop from his season OPS, while Bregman slashed .313/.471/.731/1.203/8 HRs against the Angels over 19 games. So then, using your argument, him missing out on facing us for several games at the end of the year probably kept his numbers from being worse? That would help Bregman even more. |
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Post by churchill on Oct 3, 2019 15:45:01 GMT -6
That's about a .200 point drop from his season OPS, while Bregman slashed .313/.471/.731/1.203/8 HRs against the Angels over 19 games. So then, using your argument, him missing out on facing us for several games at the end of the year probably kept his numbers from being worse? That would help Bregman even more. l guess we'll never know. I will be surprised if Trout doesn't win. |
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